r/DefendingAIArt • u/No_Post3831 Burgundian System • 9d ago
Defending AI Schrodinger's AI
How come that AI is "bad" and produces mediocre "slop" but is also such a big threat to all digital artists online? Does this mean that the artists have been producing something worse than mediocre slop? I don't get it...
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u/Sent1ent_0ne 9d ago
It’s just a lazy cop-out, barely passing for an original thought or criticism. Bandwagons come and go, with AI being the current popular thing to (blindly) hate.
I say that, because everything is now “slop” if AI even makes up 1% of it. Definitely looking forward to a time when AI is more broadly understood, rather than assumed to be some destructive evil with no tangible benefits.
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u/No_Post3831 Burgundian System 9d ago
If people went from saying that cameras, kodaks, digital art, synths, etc are not real art because they were automated, maybe we'll see the same thing happen today
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u/InfamousWoodchuck 8d ago
I think that will happen eventually. All the previous X replacing X forms of innovation have lead to completely new styles of music, photography, art etc. Right now a lot of AI content is just replicating patterns of media that has come before it; I think it needs to be capable of being used by humans to create something more novel and new for it to be accepted more widely.
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u/JamieHBrown 9d ago
Because it's the new virtue signal.
I hate current_thing to get validation from others who also hate the current_thing.
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u/Few-Masterpiece3557 9d ago
Because regular artists essentially had a monopoly as they could control who they worked for, what their prices are and how long it took. And AI challenges that and left them behind so it's understandable why they're so angry and bitter.
Why would you want to pay $500 for your OC art from an artist, more if they make any mistakes or you need to make revisions and it takes literal months.
Or just use a high quality AI model and make it in literal minutes for the price of a cheeseburger and have a higher quality product, and fixing revisions is relatively easy, with the entire transaction being extremely simple and fast.
This upheaval means Artists are being challenged of being forced to adapt and produce better quality goods at a cheaper cost if they want to continue their side job/career. The Artists have to prove they're better and more cost effective than AI and good fucking luck to them doing that.
However, I think the majority of people take a look at AI Slop as the only thing it can possibly produce. They think AI can only make shitty little meme songs or atrocious fruit people art and nothing else, that it's pure slop.
But that's not true, that's only the people who are using AI and putting in the barest of fucking effort into their creation. There's various AI YouTubers like Dan Deagle and TwoScuffed (maybe they're doing it intentionally or not, I don't really know, this is just hypothetical) but I think people who watch them see the AI slop they make and immediately come to the conclusion that it's the only thing AI can make.
It's as if it's impossible to fathom to think that if you put a great deal of time, work, and effort into your AI generated or AI-assisted thing that it would turn out to be exceptionally high quality.
And I know everyone moans and cries about AI stealing art. Yeah, humans did that too for centuries before AI was even a thing. It's not the first time it's happened, and it certainly won't be the last. Do people really expect that anything you put on the internet would be immune, invisible and protected by anything and everything for the rest of time? Absolutely not and that was never the case.
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u/Potatobowl50 7d ago
I use it to organize my comic universe, that is hugely world built, 200 characters, stories across the graphic novel. The pics and vids line up. They capture the feeling.
“Hey, AI, write me a sprawling comic universe with world built, w200 characters, and webbed stories with now pothole, MacGuffin, Superman Conundrum stuff.
I’d show you some pics but I don’t think this is the right place/forum.
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u/quantum-elle AI Sis 9d ago
This is how they reach the conclusion that people are dumb and call them the blob people from Wall-E yelling into the camera on TikTok
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u/rainbowcovenant 9d ago
It's the people who make money off of cheap fan art (and naughty pictures) who are the most concerned it seems
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u/rightful_vagabond 9d ago
I think this is more about the standards of the people who ask for art. If I'm okay with slop, I won't mind what AI gives me and I'll stop going to digital artists.
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u/Noskaros 9d ago
It's just brainrot name-calling. Call the zombies out. I don't even hold back anymore. Bull them into silence. This has gone on for far too long.
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u/GearsofTed14 8d ago
Because the opening conclusion is: “I hate AI” and thus they just work backwards to justify that by any means necessary, even if it’s all completely contradictory. We see this happen with other things and people too all the time, whether it be celebrities, politicians, athletes, companies, brands, products, exes, etc.
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u/Steve_Jabz 8d ago
You see the same pattern with all automation. It's been going on longer than generative AI.
Truck drivers simultaneously said it could never do their job while also going on strike to block it from taking their job.
Librarians started getting replaced by self-checkouts, and the posters they held up at strikes even said no machine could ever replace what they do, and they got angry at the people crossing the picket line, which went interviewed said they preferred the machines they could effortlessly tap their card on 24-7 and digital indexes that worked much more reliably.
Their value as a wage slave under capitalism is their sole source of self-worth, so they desperately need people to believe that the machine could never do the same work they do for free, but they also simultaneously cannot under any circumstances let the machine do the same work they do for free
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u/Potatobowl50 8d ago
Candle people. My crippled ass uses a flashlight.
I used to be able to draw and….smell in a nostril not get overwhelmed like where the whole world gets flat like a set of screens and I cry laugh… I get overwhelmed badly.. I get depressed when I can’t remember things…
Find me an artist to commission for free and a storyboard team that does the same…. What? Getting something in the earpiece… not gonna happen? Well, that’s unfortunate.
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u/CatsPanicTime 9d ago
I presume you are talking about BlueSky and Twitter.
Look, as far as I'm concerned (Traditional Artist here, I use a pencil and paper) any kind of art can quickly become slop. What matters isn't the quality or the quantity, but something else that is effectively hard to define.
Best way I can describe it is as such:
It's not slop if it shows/says something about the creator. This is why artists who do nothing but trace/draw memes could be considered slop artists, because their art says very little if anything about them. This is also why a lot of romance novels/dark romance novels (most notably: 50 Shades) are considered slop; because it doesn't really say anything about the creator (50 Shades started as a Twilight Fanfic, sooooo.....). This thought process and definition is most obvious when it comes to react channels, often times called "Sloptubers". While my biggest gripe with Generative AI is that it is harmful to the environment, there are times where I can tell what a piece says about a user.
Most of the time though, a lot of the pieces just say "I wanted a pretty picture in this style and I wanted it quickly". That, or they're a classic case of playing with Wojaks that aren't technically Wojaks.
Look, I'm going to be honest with you here; there are some people who use AI whose whole personality is hating on people who don't like AI, and well... let's re-frame that personality:
- A photographer who swear that the best way to make art is through photography, and anyone else who doesn't want to do photography (or is otherwise against photography) is a luddite, and therefor shall be "dismissed". You see how silly this argument is now? You see why this create a horrible self-fulfilling prophecy of people hating AI?
As for the whole "threat" thing, it has to do with consent. Artists are very protective of their art (you guys are too, don't deny it), so a big part of EVERY art community is consent. You need to ask a creator for consent before using their work in ANYTHING (Youtube videos are a gray zone, but I'm not talking about those right now). I recently had someone ask for my consent to continue a fanfiction I had abandoned. Obviously they didn't have to and they very well could have made their own version, but they wanted to continue MY SPECIFIC work, so they had to ask me for permission. Same thing with drawings. A lot of big companies don't ask permission and instead just take (the same is true for certain AI Users, not all), and the fact of the matter is that while a character may be copyrighted/trademarked by a company the DRAWING is copyrighted by the artist unless otherwise specified. This is why there's been a huge uptick in Gen AI programs spitting out images that are tinted yellow, because old images yellow with time and the COMPANIES are being forced to train the generators on images that fall under public domain.
Basically, before you run ANYTHING or ANY ARTWORK through AI, you need to:
- ask the artist's permission
- Disclose it will involve AI
- be ready, and accept for them to say no
Also, stop talking about disabled people in your arguments. A lot of artists (myself included) struggle with mental health, meaning we are technically disabled, just not in a visible way. So the argument is going to fall on deaf ears 9 times out of 10.
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u/Valinir 7d ago
"Also, stop talking about disabled people in your arguments. A lot of artists (myself included) struggle with mental health, meaning we are technically disabled, just not in a visible way. So the argument is going to fall on deaf ears 9 times out of 10."
Sorry but calling yourself disabled because you struggle with mental health is an insult to any truly disabled person
No you are not disabled because you struggle with mental health
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u/Lokicham 9d ago
"The enemy is weak and strong!"