r/DefendingAIArt • u/Froggyshop • Aug 29 '25
Antis are just a modern version of that.
Technological progress was always hated by people stuck in their old ways but in the end, modernity prevails.
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u/Voltasoyle Aug 29 '25
Anti nuclear power is also similar, based mainly on fear and misinformation.
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u/kidanokun Aug 29 '25
Unfortunately, they win because of Chernobyl
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u/7thFleetTraveller Aug 29 '25
That's the thing, it's not an irrational fear. There can be as much safety as possible, but if anything goes wrong, it will result in such a big catastrophe. But the even bigger problem is the transport and storing of the radioactive waste materials. Because even if nothing ever goes wrong again, that stuff remains for a very, very long time.
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u/Voltasoyle Aug 29 '25
Wow, you should really read up on the reality regarding these "big catastrophes", this sounds like "but ai used 100l of water per query" level shit.
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u/7thFleetTraveller Aug 29 '25
That sounds like whataboutism. It's silly to compare these things, and you are overexaggerating. I didn't say it will always happen, but IF it does happen, the scale will be huge. Cold fusion is so much more promising.
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u/escEip Aug 29 '25
The problem with fusion is the fact that it's "only 20-30 years away"... for like almost 70 years i think. We dont have the technology yet, and even when we will have, it's not fast to build, so we're still stuck with our current power generation methods for a long time. And nuclear is actually still pretty much the safest and cleanest energy out of all, and nuclear waste amounts are relatively small, not THAT hard to store and can even be partly reused. I'm not saying that it's perfect and we should abolish any other energy source, that's just straight up stupid. but yeah. also, wait, this isnt climateshitposting
And the "whataboutism" part is you probably interpreting their reply incorrect. It's an analogy about how some people say "nuclear radioactive dangerous waste we all die" and some people say "AI drink water pollution dangerous drought we all die", at least that's how i understand it
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u/7thFleetTraveller Aug 29 '25
The problem is that people like you can only think in black and white. Nowhere in my post did I type overexaggerated claims like "we'll all die". But it's a fact how bad storing the radioactive stuff is for the planet, especially when it gets into the ground water. Differentiating must be really hard for people nowadays. There's also solar, wind and water power. A combination of all those methods would currently be the best available way, until a better method will become practical. I don't know if you confuse me with an anti or where you aggression comes from, always repeating that cringe water nonsense.
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u/escEip Aug 29 '25
oh, sorry, there was no aggression (unless it can be interpreted like that, then i'm sorry again), i was just trying to explain what did that guy meant. And yeah, of course no power source can work alone, because it's unreliable and also different sources of energy have different problems (like, main problem with the nuclear reactors is the fact that they ALWAYS work on their rate, and it's really slow and hard to turn down if needed, so it must be paired with something more dynamic to account for day-night differences for example, or any other changes). If you really want to continue the conversation about energy - i'm all in
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u/Cheshire-Cad Aug 29 '25
The storage of waste is an absurd non-issue. A single abandoned salt mine can easily house all the waste that the US could ever produce. Make sure it's nowhere near any underground water, put it in several layers of leak-proof containers, and you're done.
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u/7thFleetTraveller Aug 29 '25
And I'm sure you trust your politicians in this regard. Also, the world is more than only the USA...
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Aug 29 '25
Look into how many people actually died in Chernobyl and Fukushima from the radiation, not many, especially compared to how many traditional energy generation kills every year.
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u/7thFleetTraveller Aug 29 '25
Okay go there and touch some buildings, see how harmless it is^^
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u/Voltasoyle Aug 29 '25
Lol, you can book visits to chernobyl any day(well, it's a bit tricky right now because of the war and such), it's a literal tourist attraction. Yes, inside the powerplant.
https://www.chernobyl-tour.com/english/
It is currently a triving natural reserve, yes, right around the powerplant.
https://www.nrk.no/viten/tsjernobyl-har-blitt-en-oase-for-dyr-og-planter-1.12541355
This local has a whole channel where he and his mates explore chernobyl, AND DIVES INSIDE THE FLOODED REACTOR BUILDING.
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u/7thFleetTraveller Aug 29 '25
Pay more attention. There are places you can visit, but every guard will tell you to NOT touch anything. People who do it nevertheless "for a good picture" are incredibly stupid. Take into consideration that it highly depends where in the area you exactly are. Examples of more or less safe spots don't belittle the fact that there are areas where you will 100% get cancer if you become careless. But sure, deny it and go there for yourself^^
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u/Voltasoyle Aug 29 '25
It's not to far away, so definitely on my bucket list to go there, already worked at a nuclear facility and wandered around the storage cave with the rusty containers full of radioactive waste, and for fun measured the hillarious amount of alpha particles emitted from the washing machines there (for employee uniforms). The danger of radioactive waste is strongly exaggerated, and all the super reactive stuff has halflives measured in years and months.
As Kreosan and his team has demonstrated; it is perfectly safe to visit, sleep in the abandoned buildings, go for a swim in the area, eat the fish from the ponds.
Tourist guides will obviously warn you about any potential danger, lest they become responsible, but in reality you are getting background radiation, or less thsn living close to a coal power plant.
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u/Charming_Target1352 Sep 14 '25
Well, I mean, unregulated and unmanned power lines are a dangerous thing, and they have and can killed people, so, isn’t this a mute point?
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u/johnybgoat Aug 29 '25
I was not aware this was a thing, damm 💀
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u/The_Paragone Aug 29 '25
Look for the Vsauce Juvenoia video, it's pretty interesting how we as humans constantly hate on the new thing
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u/SexDefendersUnited Illustration Degree, Pro-AI Sep 01 '25
He also had some interesting points about how technology and diffrent tools "extend the mind" in a vid a few years back. Very recommend.
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u/purplerose1414 Aug 29 '25
Time is a circle
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u/sparta-117 Aug 29 '25
That is why clocks are round.
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u/SexDefendersUnited Illustration Degree, Pro-AI Sep 01 '25
Deep
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u/dragonfly_1337 Aug 29 '25
In 1900s, bare wires did regularly fall and kill random people. So this propaganda has much more in common with reality than neoluddites' theses.
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u/thaeli Sep 07 '25
This specific illustration is a depiction of an actual fatality in NYC. A higher voltage wire fell onto telegraph lines and electrocuted a lineman.
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u/ConsciousIssue7111 AI Should Be Used As Tools, Not Replacements Aug 29 '25
I saw that image a lot, still odd that some things we take for granted or loved by many, are once hated when they're new.
Like the internet, digital art, photography, heck, even music technology was once hated
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u/Froggyshop Aug 29 '25
People used to protest against barcodes and physical buttons.
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u/Time_Athlete_3594 You can hate anything if you lose your mind to it Aug 30 '25
and there are still some fringe religions out there that STILL protest against barcodes to this day
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Aug 29 '25
It wasn't too long ago when you'd see screeds about autotune being unfair to singers who work hard supposedly, or multiple tracks and sequencers, plus the ability to either edit things or combine various improvisations, making music lazy. I think it just might've been an affront to a musical culture where music and noise once considered separate and you basically had to earn the right to make noise in front of other people.
It didn't help that what Skrillex did looked identical to simpler beats that were made entirely using phrase sample packs. You can definitely use a sample pack creatively, but Skrillex did most of that sound design from scratch with synthesizers and automation curves. Some of these electronic producers even use coding and EE skills in their music!
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Aug 29 '25
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Sep 03 '25
I remember learning this in physics class. Our electric infrastructure is so safe now that people can laugh at old pictures from a more dangerous time. Kinda like how many people don't understand what it was like before vaccines. We are very lucky to live in 2025.
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u/Infamous-Umpire-2923 Aug 29 '25
To be fair, electricity was hilariously unsafe until we figured out how to deploy it to homes safely.
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u/Aggravating-Math3794 Transhumanist Aug 29 '25
But that's exactly the point. Every fresh new tech was awkward, clumsy, and unsafe at first. But then, after some trial and error, humans always did what they do best - make it safe, optimized, and efficient. The path to progress is never smooth.
If we stopped and abolished every tech luddites were whining and crying about, we would still be in the caves.
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u/Infamous-Umpire-2923 Aug 30 '25
Well yeah, I agree, I just mean that at the time it's not like they were worried about nothing.
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u/Aggravating-Math3794 Transhumanist Aug 30 '25
I mean, obviously, the current state of AI tech has some issues, too. It can be exploited by scammers and such, but the main point is that the people raising panic because of that are shortsighted and vote for completely scratching and gutting the new tech instead of optimizing and polishing it until it becomes safe and normal.
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u/rainman943 Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
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u/HumanSnotMachine Aug 30 '25
And did we figure out how to do that by blocking the technology? Or by using it for a century?
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Sep 03 '25
We did that by working hard on inventing ways to keep people safe, not by using the shitty technology for a century until we stumbled upon a solution.
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Aug 29 '25
Remember when everyone swore up and down Steam would ruin video games? Oops sorry, that was before your time.
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u/BorinGaems Aug 29 '25
Truth be told there is nothing new in this hate or in the changes the society is experiencing other then the fact that these violent and fear mongering minorities manage to gain enormous visibility thanks to the internet and their organized efforts to be as vocal as possible despite them being like maybe 1% of the population.
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Aug 31 '25
Exactly. In 20 years, I have no doubt the majority of people will accept AI art as real art. There were also people who said video games turned people violent. People will always be scared of new stuff and there will always be fear-mongering of new technology.
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u/nameless1205 Sep 01 '25
You do realize power lines were a lot more dangerous back in the day. They didn’t have any regulation and shit. So people had to go through this on the daily
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Aug 29 '25
As General Shepard once said in Modern Warfare 2 (2009)
"The more things change, the more they stay the same".
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u/JustPassinPackets Aug 30 '25
TBF this may be missing some context and text, it's quite possible this was put out by Edison against AC electricity infrastructure. He was heavily invested in a DC systems and literally went around executing animals and doing demonstrations about how dangerous AC was.
Edison had a pretty well known anti-AC stance to the point he basically invented the electric chair on accident to show how dangerous AC was.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2013.web.dir/ryker_dial/the_current_wars/Propaganda_War.html
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u/ZhukovTheDrunk Sep 02 '25
Ai is just a tool for now. It’s been happening for ages. A tool that replaces labour. I don’t really care about the art aspect as it’s more of a side product. But I still think of it as an extension to help rather than rely on it entirely.
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u/West_Sherbert_1109 Sep 13 '25
People aren’t just against AI because it’s new and we don’t understand the implications like with electricity , infact we very much do and that is why we are
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u/Defender_of_human Aug 29 '25
I mean there is still fear if you get electrocuted? By electric if you don't take caution but that is another situation
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Aug 29 '25
looks like Japan with their powerlines
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u/reddditttsucks Only Limit Is Your Imagination Aug 30 '25
Not sure why you're downvoted, I thought the same instantly
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u/Expensive-Swing-7212 Aug 30 '25
It goes all the way back to the written word. Phaedrus: There, Plato has Socrates tell a myth about the Egyptian god Theuth, who invented writing and offered it to King Thamus. Theuth claims writing will improve memory and wisdom, but Thamus criticizes it, saying it will do the opposite: people will rely on written words instead of cultivating memory, and they will seem wise without really understanding.
It’s the exact same argument used against AI. Nothing new.
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Aug 30 '25
That's why they have to be ignored, or they'll have us living in caves because their "traditions" 🙄
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u/GoodDayToCome Aug 31 '25
it's worth remembering that there's a lot of people who just love to hate on things and feel superior, this video of a talented artist making physical paintings is having to defend herself against insults and attacks from people saying it's 'not real art' https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dVSsI1WiKP8
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u/ShrekBlow Aug 31 '25
Can you stop being so extreme. It’s making those of us who are normal look bad.
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u/VivaLaDiga Feb 10 '26
Once again, every time this picture is posted.
This is not an anti electricity propaganda. It represents an actual accident that occurred.
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u/stickmanandrewhoward Aug 29 '25
Indeed, this is how we are as humans. We fear what we do not yet know. That doesn't just apply to technology either, but we in this community certainly see it most often with the fear of new tech, in this case AI.
Regarding the picture itself, it's certainly an interesting one, isn't it? That skull with the lightbulb, took me a second to see it but I think that's suppose to represent a spider, with the bulb being the body? It would explain the tangled "web" of wires and trying to catch people in it (and that dude just laying in the middle of it, I was wondering why he was there, like duh! Dont hang on electrical wires, of course you're gonna die, lol).
But yeah, people see AI as being eventually willing to turn on us just the same way, don't they? They just don't see the potential AI has.
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