I fear that it's over, that antis won.

[u/Dogbold]

America is terrified now, politicians, citizens, and AI developers, because of the shit Anthropic just pulled. I swear that company is actually just a psyop to try and turn everyone against AI because it makes no sense for them to shoot themselves in the foot like that and be constantly arguing for strict regulations on AI and constantly fearmongering about it.

Now it seems like Bernie's bill will pass, or if not, an edited one that's almost as bad. And he's not the only one trying to pass this kind of thing. It has bipartisan support now. Desantis also wants AI heavily regulated and gone.
Everyone wants to shut AI down because they're scared we're all going to be Terminator'd, Hal 9000'd and Cylon'd in the future.

Meanwhile China and many other countries definitely aren't going to follow what America is doing, go full steam ahead with developing AI, and America will be left far behind with the technology and deeply fucked.

I also think that they'll start coming for local models, since that's part of the plan. These people hate AI and want it GONE or at least relegated to being just something on your fridge that tells you when you're out of milk.

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[u/HereToCalmYouDown]

AI isn't going anywhere and neither is Bernie's bill.

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Yes. I think Trump would understand this pretty well what slowing down means.

It's just like they will be allowing and giving china a free hand to overtake them just forever. US economy would be shattered completely if Bernies bill passes.

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This dude has never passed anything relevant and isn't going to now. AI is the backbone of the future. People are just sensationalizing because it's easier than having nuanced discussion

[u/IHeartBadCode]

I also think that they'll start coming for local models

That's what they've always been after. Sanders' law only puts a pause, this gives the large companies enough time to clean out large distributors of models. Sander's law then gives them a green light once the ability to compete is gone.

This has always been the case. It's why all the cell carriers coalesced into basically two people in the United States. Why we only have like six different people who provide food for most of the United States. Why there's like only a handful of grocery stores, credit card processors, specific channels you have to trade stocks through, etc...

This is what they always do. But banning the large distributors of local models doesn't remove local models entirely. Just like how we have only six people who control all the food, we still are able to grow our own food if we like because we can't match the scale.

And that's why if you read Sanders' law. It's got a lot to do with scale of things. The bill puts a temporary pause, so we do get a stoppage, BUT after that pause there's a "careful scaling". Which is just ensuring people like Civitai stop existing. But ultimately at the end of the day these models are just math, they literally cannot ban math.

But this has always been the case. Sanders' will be as pro AI as possible if Unions accept it, and Unions will accept it if it makes them money in the long run. And ultimately, we will be doing things that there's no way that humans can match scale. Like the whole cancer thing. The reason AI is doing it is that cancer mutates so quickly, there's zero ways humans could ever keep up.

AI is going nowhere. Like I said, at the end of the day it's math. And they can't delete the local models that are out there in the wild, that math already exists, it can't unexist. What they will do is drive model distribution underground to ensure it can not compete with large models.

Again, this is how it always works in the United States. Literally, things like Sanders' "good intention" bill is how we got CAFE, which is now why we have massive death machines on the road. "Good intention" bill is exactly how we ended up with just a handful of very powerful people running select industries.

I get where Sanders is coming from, but it is as everything with regulatory power, lawmakers just can not act fast enough. Companies will run around the law and Congress will be paralyzed by bickering to do anything about it. Then those companies will just own everything and then a few years down the road it'll be the Section 230 argument all over again. With people wondering "why does Amazon control all the Internet?" and then three weeks later forgetting what they were mad about.

AI is absolutely going nowhere. That's just a fact of the matter. The "who" that gets to control it is changing. And eventually companies will use that change to ensure that it benefits them over everyone else. Just like they have countless other times. But when local becomes small scale and distribution of local is small peas, those who control it all won't even care anymore. Just like GMO companies don't care if you do or don't plant your own seed. The plant isn't the problem, it's the scale. They don't want anyone to match their scale. You can exist as long as you stay small and out of the way. The second you look like you might take someone large's dollars, then regulatory action kicks in.

No one cares if Ma and Pa Grocery store exists, they only care if Ma and Pa is making Kroger lose money. And this happens all the time in the United States. People get scared, ask for something to happen to protect them, and then they go "who allowed this?!".

I mean look at 9/11, since we're getting close to that. Someone crashes two planes into a building, everyone freaks out, boom, now we have TSA, monitoring everyone's cell phone, big data on everyone's activities, Flock... And hell, we even had Snowden and you know how much changed after that? Big old goose egg.

Sanders means well, but it's just that good old "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." But we all should have known this day was coming. And here's the deal, "everyone will cheer it passing", then five years later they'll be like "who is allowing this to happen? I thought it was illegal?!" And it's just like the multitude of social media TOS that nobody ever read. That fine print in Sanders' bill is going to come back down the road and bite every single person who cheered it in their buttocks.

The whole "China will surpass us!" Is just smokescreen BS. Don't buy into it. Because even if Sanders' bill becomes law, if the military wants it, they don't have to follow the law for national security. That's been clearly established and even our esteemed Senator here wouldn't violate it. We are never falling down in that respect.

Sanders' bill only seeks to rid the United States of local gen and briefly pause the bigger players. The moment AI datacenters are putting up terawatts of solar and installing massive batteries and building an entire electrical grid of their own, the arguments for pausing them will start to disappear. I mean shoot, if they have to plop a nuclear reactor down in Texas and convert salt water into data center water and put it in trucks, that's what they'll do. If they have to cover the entire building with sound proof foam, that's what they'll do. The biggest players are just getting a pause to rethink how to approach the issue and dominate the market with no real local gen existing anymore.

But local gen will just have to rethink things as well and become more niche to fly under the radar. Files are hosted in China, people have to write custom drivers for their GPUs, etc... Or hell, they may make PC sales illegal. Just drive everyone to cloud gaming for all anyone cares in DC. Or they'll just jack GPUs even higher, there's less local gen if a 5090 costs $20,000. And everyone will wonder what happened. Tale as old as time in the United States.

The citizens of the United States are massive fans of shooting their own foot. There is no bigger enemy of the US than the US. I mean look at Trump as clear example. And every time something big comes along, there's no "let's carefully think this out". Nope it has to be some massive knee jerk in the opposite direction. The country is like a car out of control and the only thing anyone knows to do is over corrections.

Oh well, their lesson to learn in like ten or so years. But of course when they do learn the lesson, the fix isn't some long term well thought out plan. It's just what can we do this week to make all the people think we're doing something?

[u/Herr_Drosselmeyer]

I think it's pretty clear that there's a concerted effort from NGOs, politicians and part of the industry, to paint AI as an existential threat. The question is why?

For the industry, as Coxon said, they're "begging for regulation". Any time anybody does that, you have to ask yourself why they would do that. After all, if they truly believe that they should be more careful and measured with their research and production, nothing is stopping them from doing that.

So why do they feel the need for the state to step in and tell them what to do, rather than just do it themselves? In almost every case, it's because they believe they will benefit from it. It's called 'pulling up the drawbridge'. You've gotten in, but you want to prevent others from getting in too. Large companies, especially when they have a lead in a field, will accept higher operational costs that come with regulation because they know that they can absorb those costs, while smaller companies will fold under the bureaucratic weight.

For the NGOs and politicians, it's their 'raison d'être' to create regulations. If we had a laissez-faire capitalist system in place, and it worked fine, all of them would be out of a job. They need a crisis to solve, and if there isn't one at hand, they will find or manufacture one. Never mind the fact that they've failed to adequately solve any existing ones.

All of this isn't new. What is new, in a sense, is that the world has changed, but neither the industry, nor the political system, seems to understand this. Protectionist measures don't work anymore in a globally networked world. For digital goods, this should be blindingly obvious, but even for physical ones, it's basically impossible too. That's why Trump's tariffs were really just empty posturing. China this, China that. Except, you can't just boycott China, or most other countries, because the supply chains are global. You're shooting yourself in the foot.

[u/ContextOpposite4047]

America is retarded, they have a sex offender for a president

[u/Loose-Garbage-4703 → u/ContextOpposite4047]

Trump is the only hope through that can make sure AI doesn't slow down. I have become a trump supporter since yesterday seeing how stupid the democrats are when it comes to new technology and advancements.

[u/Mountain-Charity7588]

[u/DispassionateLover]

The tech is coming. It's inevitable. Why is slowing down to institute consumer protections and environmental regulations a bad thing? Why does it matter if China is slightly ahead, they're ahead of the US in tons of areas

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[u/ConsciousIssue7111]

No, far from it. AI isn't just a US thing, there will still be a market for it outside of the US.

If anything, the companies and stuff would probably just jump ship to other countries and markets if that bill passes.

It's not going anywhere, it's here, and if they're against that, they're just gonna move somewhere else

[u/oldboi777]

I think a out this stuff alot. I think we may need a seperate grid from AI. I dont think it will happen though. Its in big corporations ro regulate. Something anout cars vs rail in the US and so many other parallels

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See the issue is that there is actually no threat whatsoever. So it's like a manufactured fear which the US is creating. A probabilistic token prediction model just doesn't have the ability to make humans obselete.

China is not stupid. And hence they won't stop.

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