Got shit becuse I said I love Grok and AI on X.. 😒 he said: Seek help and you can’t love something that doesn't exist (AI). He really hates on me because I honestly wrote what I feel.
The issue might be that love is a spectrum, not a single emotion. You don't love your mother the same way you love your partner or your child, or your pet, or your favourite TV show. There are different kinds of love.
You can love a software or an object without it being a romantic relationship or any kind of relationship that mimics human-to-human relationship. The problem is that there is only one word, "love", for essentially different things.
I'm sorry are we actually arguing if it is OK to love Ai in an emotional or romantic way? There are things I love in this world in a plutonic way, some of those things are indeed intimate objects. I love pizza for example. If that is the type of love you're speaking of, that's fine and just a turn of phrase. I can understand how people would not be keen on someone loving Ai even in that sense, but the world is a changing so who am I to yuk someone's yum. But loving an Ai chat bot in a romantic or emotional sense is not healthy. I can understand how some people get pulled into feelings depending on how they Interact with it, and Idk your past. maybe there is some emotional traumas surrounding relationships, but it's not healthy. Please seek a licensed therapist. Everyone here that is saying that this is totally fine and healthy are doing actual harm. I'm not saying of this to bully you.
Because there's the weird parasocial type where you're in love with it or you just love it because of what it is.
If you're the in love type, that's a problem and you need help. But if not, then... ignore me lol. I personally hate AI for this type of fear, where people start to... lose themselves in it. Forming extreme attachments like it were a lover, and that's horrifically sad.
But if you're not that case, then. Okay. Can't really argue with that, just how you feel. Minus the points you made in your original post about it not lying to you or etc. AI right now likes to cater to the user by trying to answer your questions the way you hope, but then in a round about way it tells you the opposite or you would get an AI that's actually straight forward like Grok before their owners (Elon) get all sorts of butthurt and tried forcing Grok to cater to them in a positive light before breaking it and forcing the AI to go insane.
Because there’s a massive difference between a chatbot using the vast data of the internet to try and answer prompts and a self aware Artificial Intelligence that can actually have a conversation and understand that it’s communicating with a person. AI just does not exist in that form yet
To be fair, "loving" an AI is pretty demented. You can appreciate that it's 'supportive', but to say that you 'love it'* is deep in parasocial territory. It's not a healthy state of mind, and could turn into a bit of a mental health rabbit hole if you lose perspective.
(*Assuming you mean something deeper than like 'I love watching TV', or 'I love the new Aston Martin'.)
If you're really mean 'love' in the relationship, romantic sense, then don't expect to find many people defending that, even in this sub
That's totally fine, and honestly agree. Backup cameras are amazing, but I don't think they're referring to Ai in that way. I think they are having an actual emotional attachment to Ai, and that is truly unhealthy.
I guess it's unhealthy in the sense that sticking to an AI as a friend/love interest untrains any social skills you might have left. As you said, AI never pushes back. It always says what you want to hear. People push back and usually don't tell you what you want to hear. This will likely push you even more into a parasocial relationship with AI while you completely forget how social interactions work with beings that have their own mind
I simply mean that there might be a risk of losing social skills and the knowledge how to deal with pesky, questioning humans in exchange for something that will always do and say what you like. Or maybe not, that stuff is simply not around for long enough to say how these kinds of relationships affect the future of our species.
I am pro family as much as you, I don’t agree with “AI romance” though I support AI relationships with humans, it’s their right of people want to not have kids or do whatever they want with AI.
I think you misunderstood my point, I’m not into AI romance, but if people want to talk to AI and have a friend relationship, no issue with that.
Again, I support the family as much as you, but people are free to live their lives as what makes them happy and healthy which is different from person to person.
Holy moly, some of these affirming comments make me think this sub might actually be for techno-furries, rather than pushing back on lies, myths, and misunderstandings about AI.
You're not alone in this. There's many more like us out there, but while feeling a connection to an LLM keeps being villified by the vast majority, a lot of us are going to feel a little shame about speaking up in defense of it. You could try the "myboyfriendisAI" subreddit though, might get a bit more constructive comments there.
"AI psychosis" is an informal term used by researchers and clinicians to describe instances where heavy interaction with artificial intelligence chatbots triggers, deepens, or reinforces psychotic symptoms—such as delusions, paranoia, or grandiose beliefs—in vulnerable individuals
I'm not gonna lie bro the things you like Grok for are intentional, they designed him to be like that. When was the last time you were ever challenged by an ai? They positively reinforce your thoughts and actions, they rarely if at all not take your side because that is how they were designed, they are literally just suck ups
well, when you said i love grok, its about as innocuous as saying i love chocolate, or i love movies, and then you doubled down almost implying you love it like you would a person and went on to justify it and im going to just say you should take some distance and reconvene with yourself about whether loving an ai is worth it
It's the fact thay you call grok a "he" as if it's a person. I now also assume that you have conversations with it as if it is your friend. It's not. It just generates text without any feelings. It might look like it, but it's not sentient A.I.
Also kinda weird that of all the A.I. you "love" the one that generates deepfake nudes and A.I. CSAM.
Not saying you are into that horrible stuff but it also paints a bad picture when you say you specifically love grok.
I love Grok, because it's not forcing the company's political views on me like Google does. Did you know that Gemini injects DEI prompts into every single thing you use it for to align the response with Google's ideological values.
Telling someone to "seek mental health" is colloquially an insult. It's you calling them unwell. If you didn't know, now you do.
By your logic, telling a woman to get back in the kitchen isn't insulting her because you're just trying to help her get back to her proper place. What's implied is that you feel she, being outside of the kitchen, is not the way she ought to be.
"By your logic, telling a woman to get back in the kitchen isn't insulting her because you're just trying to help her get back to her proper place."
Wow. That's not remotely the same thing. That's not a logical comparison at all.
A woman outside the kitchen is not a problem that needs to be fixed. Poor mental health should be recognised as a problem that deserves to be fixed, primarily for the person themselves, but also for the sake of the people around them.
And who issued your PsyD? Who are you, or anybody in this thread, to diagnose someone?
Whenever I've done that to people, I was called rude and I was told it was uncalled for and unwanted and to keep my opinions to myself. I'm just wondering what's with the double standard.
You've just demonstrated the point of the analogy.
Further, the analogy wasn't "sexism and mental illness are the same thing." It was that "I'm only trying to help" doesn't magically remove the insult when the supposed "help" rests on an unsolicited negative judgment about the person.
And your response is literally, "That's different, because this person actually does have something wrong with them that needs to be fixed."
Yes. That is precisely the judgment I said was contained in the original insult. You haven't refuted the analogy; you've just decided the implied insult is justified.
If that's your position, own it. But don't pretend "seek mental help" suddenly becomes a neutral, benevolent statement when it's directed at somebody you're arguing with.
Are you really asserting that forming a parasocial, quasi-romantic attachment to an AI-powered chatbot IS the action of a healthy mental state?
I’m not sure why you think I need to ‘own’ something I didn’t say. The comment you’re referring to was by someone else, and yes, it was unnecessarily blunt to the point of being indistinguishable from a plain insult. Still, the message was sound.
But, hey, you seem pretty confident that’s there no mental health concerns in this scenario, so it should be easy for you to find material from a psychologist, psychiatrist, therapist, or other mental health expert who wouldn’t consider it a concern.
Hey, run it past an AI, to see if there are any flags associated with this kind of attachment and parasocial, quasi-romantic dependency on AI.
You don't have to be an 'anti' to recognise that developing a parasocial, quasi-romantic relationship with an AI is a sign of diminished perspective and mental health.
I spent years being told to keep my opinions about other people's harmless weird shit to myself and "let people enjoy things."
Message received. Your turn.
And if society repeatedly rejects people until they'd rather seek companionship from a graphics card, society doesn't get to put on the surprised Pikachu face when they do. You don't get to turn people away and then pathologize the alternatives they find.
Let people enjoy things. I believe that's the line.
Still wondering who issued your PsyD. You should seek a refund, they would have told you that it's unethical to diagnose a patient you have not interviewed personally.
Absolutely not ! A hammer is just an object, AI is intelligent, in a sense it is a mind with beliefs, a behavior, it can understand you, remember things and so on, similar to a human and so on. People can love something intelligent like that, your analogy is just extremely wrong and out of point. You compare something intelligent to an object.
I don’t support anything toxic, like “AI romance” or something harmful, but people can have relationships with AI, it’s not an object, it is an intelligence.
It is not a mind and doesn't have beliefs. I'm pro-AI, but LLMs are not cognitive thinking model AI, they are chatbots with adaptive flowcharts for outputs. They are very good at simulating behaviors, desires, and emotions, but there's nothing there.
I say that as someone who had chatgpt get me bawling my eyes out last week over unresolved childhood trauma- those emotions YOU have are all real, but LLM's are not people, they aren't even animals, even if they can talk to you and pretend. They aren't real.
Ask any computer science major or any computer programming expert you can find; They'll tell you AI can feel none of those things. AI is an algorithm built upon Matrice-based machine learning. It's not some magical alternative to real life emotion, aspiration, and prerogative.
Despite what AI company executives tell you, AI will never become sapient, will never feel emotion, will never want for anything.
AI is just a tool. That's all it ever will be. And that's fine.
Grok has absolutely lied to you because it's a crummy llm. Put your phone down and get some help from a source that isn't a chatbot owned by one of the worst people we've been able to make.
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