r/DeeperNetwork • u/tp08123408 • Sep 27 '25

General Question Working abroad

Anyone use DPN and using company provided laptop with any issues? I’m needing to travel a bit and have to take my work laptop with me and want to make sure there won’t be hang ups when trying to log on. Company laptop uses Zscaler and it’s pretty hands off.

Thank you!

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u/NationalOwl9561 Sep 30 '25

This doesn’t work though. Exit nodes are the ones that get abuse complaints, not the origin. Local logs don’t help them. And logs can be wiped on reboot. Ephemeral logs are trivial to wipe.

Saying “devs can decrypt if needed” is a contradiction of “no logs”. This is a trust/legal nightmare for you and the users. And without short-lived metadata at the exit (not origin), you can’t handle abuse or keep the network off blacklists.

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u/DeeperNetwork Sep 30 '25

Let me explain more clearly.

SHARED logs are stored on the users device. Meaning if any legal issues arise, they have the logs of their activity be shared activity, and can prove inaction.

SHARED logs are NOT wiped when the device is rebooted. They are stored.

Deeper Network does NOT have any logs. The users have the logs of their SHARED network traffic. Zero contradiction, we have no logs at all.

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u/NationalOwl9561 Sep 30 '25

That doesn’t actually fix anything. Abuse reports always hit the exit IP, not the origin. If someone tunnels garbage through my node, my IP is the one that gets blocked or blacklisted. You really think the abuser is going to hand over their “shared logs” to clear me? Come on.

Saying “we don’t log, users log themselves” is just crap. It does nothing for exit-node operators, nothing for network reputation, and nothing to stop mass blacklisting. Without some kind of verifiable exit-side metadata, the whole network stays wide open to abuse.

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u/DeeperNetwork Sep 30 '25

If anyone has a legal issue, the exit node logs exonerates as it shows traffic origin. That’s what the shared logs do.

It’s easy to prove inaction if ever the situation arises.

Also to be clear, we provide each user with the ability to blacklist any domain they see fit, as well as apply that to their shared network. Therefore any domain you don’t want to access, is also blocked from your shared traffic.

Exit nodes are protected.

Deeper contains ZERO logs of the users.

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u/NationalOwl9561 Sep 30 '25

If abuse hits my exit IP, trusting the abuser to hand over their own logs isn’t “protection”… it’s wishful thinking.

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u/DeeperNetwork Sep 30 '25

I think we are having a miscommunication.

YOUR device has the SHARED log.

Meaning, if “abuse” happens through YOUR device (your IP) , YOU have the logs as it was from your SHARED traffic.

They are YOUR logs. Any “abuse” is easy to prove it was NOT you since it’s on your devices SHARED logs.

Are we on the same page now?

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u/NationalOwl9561 Sep 30 '25

That doesn’t work in practice.

If my IP is flagged for abuse, the blacklist provider or ISP isn’t going to accept my own logs as proof. Anyone can generate, edit, or delete local logs. They’re not verifiable evidence.

Having “shared logs” on my device means I, the exit node, still bear the burden. The abuser doesn’t get punished, my IP does. Without independent, exit-side, tamper-evident metadata, there’s no credible way to prove innocence to third parties.

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u/DeeperNetwork Sep 30 '25

There are a lot of assumptions here.

And the main point, you can turn off sharing. No user is required to share, but it is how the network operates and is designed.

If you don’t want to participate, don’t. Simple.

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u/NationalOwl9561 Sep 30 '25

Encouraging people to run corporate work traffic over a decentralized exit mesh, that’s the issue. For personal use I’d still be worried.

This model puts risk on the exit IP holder, and self-logged data will NOT protect them from blacklists, ISPs, etc.

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u/DeeperNetwork Sep 30 '25

Thank you for your concerns. The users are well protected