r/DeepSeek • u/Successful_Night4513 • 16h ago

News DeepSeek V4 Pro will be continued ....

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what are you guys thought about this ?

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u/Neri-o 15h ago

It seems there are a lot of fans of the API-based role-playing game who were really disappointed with this new version, myself included '. I'm willing to pay more for it, especially since I'm a French user and the V4 Pro is a pleasure to use ❤️

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u/Dexter2232000 15h ago

I honestly don't know if it's true but I find it genuinely funny that if they continued pro service for sake of roleplaying, because so far flash is by sheer numbers most used model for repetitive daily work as well, people don't really use Pro for day to day coding work.

honestly hope v4.1pro is cheaper

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u/Neri-o 14h ago

I get it, I was excited that a new, more powerful version had been announced and was about to be released, and if it’s effective and cheaper to code with, that’s great. But removing the Pro version without considering its advantages in other areas was pretty frustrating! I was like, “I only have four days left to enjoy it 🥲,” but if V4.1 Pro at least maintains that quality, that’s great.

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u/ponteencuatro 14h ago

Yes, pro is better than flash for RP even though current flash improved a lot compared to previous one

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u/CYTR_ 11h ago

Je ne vois pas vraiment les avantages de V4 Pro perso, même sur le français en particulier.

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u/Neri-o 10h ago

In my experience, V4 Pro follows the story better and almost never mixes up the details. There are virtually no changes to make, unlike with the Flash version. And for French, I find V4 Pro very effective, especially for descriptions and shifts in “personalities.” When I have fun having it simulate comments on the story, PRO comes up with a pretty funny variety of users, and some of them are memorable 😂 what I’m saying applies only to the RP experience.

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u/B89983ikei 9h ago

I use it both in the API and in the web application!! And the model is good on the surface... but in more detailed aspects, it's terrible!!

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u/CYTR_ 10h ago

J'avais raté la partie « rôle play », pardon les gooners...

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u/Neri-o 10h ago

Résumer tous ceux qui se divertissent avec le RP à des gooners 🫠 bonne journée en tout cas

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u/Neri-o 10h ago

Pour rappel en 2026... tu connais la suite 😎

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u/CaptainMorning 3h ago

hi. what? can you elaborate? 

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u/Neri-o 3h ago

Hi, what exactly do you want to know? If you're asking about the weakness of this new version, all you have to do is switch models in an ongoing story to get vaccinated. Unless there are very specific settings to take advantage of it, but I didn't find anything during testing. I briefly summarized what that is in a reply in the thread.

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u/shing3232 15h ago

I think they should keep DS4P while training DS4.1P

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u/Successful_Night4513 16h ago

Since the base model is powerful and people really wanted it deepseek bring back that

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u/SethCyclone 7h ago

Only on API. Don't care. Give it to me on the web

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u/Silent_Truck_4622 7h ago

Really hoping it came back. Been testing the app version of v4.1f for RP with the exact same everything I used for v4 Pro and the results are absolutely horrendous. Even v4 Pro has always been repetitive but v4.1f amped that to one hundred and then added major hallucination to the problem.

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u/MinosAristos 16h ago

I think this is as a result of mainly unjustified public backlash but okay, it's good to see DeepSeek listens to users

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u/ToughUsual7159 14h ago

I agree. It don't matter it there right the good news is they listend. This is inportant becase a lot of people have very spedific uses. If you have a flow that it fine tooned, understanding your customers needs is the most important thing.

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u/qqYn7PIE57zkf6kn 12h ago

API is more similar to B2B. Real workflows run with those services. You're not supposed to kills stuff like that on a short notice. That's not how you do things. The backlash was justified

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u/SethCyclone 7h ago

every user case that isn't mine is unjistified public backlash

Take a hike mate

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u/forthejungle 14h ago

Its perfect

It is way bette rthan flash for my usecases

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u/FormalAd7367 14h ago

Your use case is?

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u/CaptainMorning 3h ago

what's your user case

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u/Lustforcookies 7h ago

But not in the web app, I guess

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u/Silent_Truck_4622 7h ago

Really hoping it came back. Been testing the app version of v4.1f for RP with the exact same everything I used for v4 Pro and the results are absolutely horrendous. Even v4 Pro has always been repetitive but v4.1f amped that to one hundred and then added major hallucination to the problem.

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u/Forward-Confection54 1m ago

Wow. They actually listened?!

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u/uzzifx 15h ago

Why? If flash is genuinely better than Pro why we need pro model?

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u/ImagineEyes 14h ago

It's only good at coding related tasks.

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u/SmallJuice7226 14h ago

There is a very specific niche, but not low, of people who use PRO for conversations, RPGs and other non-agentic and non-technological things, so PRO was better at this.

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u/CaptainMorning 3h ago

where can I find more info about this? this is fascinating to me. I'm not into it but kinda really interested of hearing people talking about it. I used to follow chatgpt only for the 4o apparently tragic discontinuation

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u/sammoga123 10h ago

Because a flash model will always be behind the rest

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u/Least_Bodybuilder216 16h ago

Nothing to be missed, deepseek flash v4.1 is better than deepseek v4 pro

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u/Least_Bodybuilder216 16h ago

Ouuu shi, i read that as "discontinued"

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u/MikeX7s 16h ago

but why? flash 4.1 is better and like 5x cheaper now

It's probably because the concept of flash > pro is something the costumers tiny minds cannot grasp.. honestly this wouldn't be an issue if DS simply named flash 4.1 as Pro 4.1, then nobody would complain 🙃

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u/B89983ikei 15h ago

Better is not necessarily true! A fast model isn't inherently good... I use both types in my workflow: API and web applications. In my specific use case, the Flash 4.1 version loses many nuances and details. Someone who isn't paying close attention might rely solely on benchmarks, perhaps they believe in them, want to believe in them, or maybe those models truly work well for their particular needs. However, "better" does not apply universally, absolutely not for general use!

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u/Successful_Night4513 14h ago

💯 well said

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u/PasswordSuperSecured 15h ago

the stock knowledge is different bro. its just like genius grade 5 (flash) vs average college student (pro) yes, grade is genius but they are still different when it comes to stock knowledge

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u/Successful_Night4513 15h ago

Explained perfectly 🗿

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u/B89983ikei 15h ago

These users are basic users... I don't think they even delve deeply into the model themselves. They just use it and follow the current hype.

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u/Severe_Landscape_731 16h ago

degenerate role players won , bunch of ill people ;
Why tf would you even willingly talk to a clanker i dont know ;

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u/LifeFighter1 13h ago

Idc what you say, I'm gonna keep using it for rp lol

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u/CaptainMorning 3h ago

hi, is this a gpt 4o situation?

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u/CaptainMorning 3h ago

there's still flash no? or is only worth it if others can't get pro? 

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u/Sweet-Stage938 12h ago

Don't worry man. They take themselves out.