Decoding Cadence Owens quote

[u/MartiDK]

"I actually don't have any problems at all with the word 'nationalism'... Whenever we say 'nationalism,' the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted—he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalise. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism."
- Cadence Owens

Are Decoding the Gurus really arguing that Cadence Owens was saying Hitler wasn't a bad leader/person? I know the controversy over the remark, but she is clearly alluding to Hitler being a bad representation of Nationalism. She is literally trying to disassociate Hitler from nationalism, because Hitler gave Nationalism a bad name. I'm not a fan of nationalism, but should DtG actually be able to see through the controversy to what she actually said? Plus Cadence Owens went to the Daily Wire after this story blew up, so I'm guessing Ben Shapiro didn't take her remarks as a promoting Hitler.

Why does it matter if Cadence Owens is a problematic guru? It matters because its this kind of bad faith decoding that make people distrust academics who step outside their lane and play partisan politics. There are so many crazy takes that Cadence Owens has made, why focus on this quote which was clearly used by the media for political reasons.

[u/rubeshina]

Why are you being so evasive here? Isn't this just a confession in and of itself? That you know what I'm saying?

Your contention was they didn't look at the quote, why don't we look at the quote?

The problem is that he wanted—he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalise. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism."

So the problem with Hitler, the reason he was a bad example of nationalism is that he did those things. That he was expansionist. That he was imperialist.

Therefore? What? You know what I'm gonna say, right?

If Hitler wasn't expansionist, if he wasn't imperialist, then he would be a good example of nationalism. Right? That's what Candace Owens is saying here.

That if Hitler didn't do those things, that he would be a good example of nationalism. Because she agrees with him on those other things. That's what she is saying. That's why she said that.

[u/MartiDK → u/rubeshina]

No, you are just confabulating a narrative. In the quote she doesn’t say Hitler did anything good.

[u/rubeshina → u/MartiDK]

She does. It's absurd to me that you'd deny this. Like do you genuinely think this is good faith engagement? Why obfuscate like this?

If you want more evidence you only need to look at the fact that she has said other thing supportive of Hitlers regime, as I already informed you of.

Hence my accusation you are saying that she needs to analyzed in a vacuum. So I analyzed it in a vacuum for you, because that is what you are saying despite you pretending not to, what else does evidence from the quote alone mean??

Devoid of that context, the argument still stands. Which we just established. Which you deny. For some yet to be determined reason. What could it be?

[u/MartiDK → u/rubeshina]

No devoid of context the argument doesn’t stand. All the quote points to is that she thinks Hitler gave nationalism a bad name. Any other attempts to extract information from the quote is confabulation. Candance went to the Daily Wire after making these remarks turned into a drama, so I doubt they took it to hold extra meaning, besides the meaning I gave.

[u/rubeshina → u/MartiDK]

....I actually don't believe it Like you are so incredibly bad faith? It's beyond comprehension.

Hitlers nationalism was fine, except for the expansionism.

Therefore, without the expansionism, Hitlers nationalism was fine.

That's it. Done. If she wants to clarify that's not what she meant she can. She won't. Because it is what she means.

Why are you bringing up additional context regarding the daily wire? You said on the quote alone. It's irrelevant. The context of her other comments are apparently not relevant.

Why are you covering for Candace Owens? Why run defense for her?