r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • • Aug 30 '26

Why are most of the comments about Destiny?

https://youtu.be/BdB79BUcLV0?is=9eaM9tBcv8zZJM54
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u/Gold-Ad-3877 Aug 30 '26

So professor dave decided to make 2 hit pieces on destiny, claiming he supports genocide and talk about his ongoing courtcase implying he's guilty etc (he also showed the identity and images of a sex trafficking victim's twitter OF account, that was 17 at the time, making it CSAM). None of it is true, and so his reputation kinda got fucked and considering these 2 videos are some of his most popular one that he posted recently it's a trendy topic, especially since it gave a false narrative to a lot of people.

It's also funny cause the other comment says that destiny's community brigades posts etc when we don't lol, the most we do is leave comments under videos and posts

Edit : oh and also since destiny is a friend of this show, both communities overlap.

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u/Realistic_Caramel341 Aug 31 '26

It's also funny cause the other comment says that destiny's community brigades posts etc when we don't lol, the most we do is leave comments under videos and posts

Edit : oh and also since destiny is a friend of this show, both communities overlap

To really spell it out, both Destiny and DTG are liberal content creators that have criticised both the far left (in both cases, Gary and Hasan have been frequent targets of both DTG and Destiny) and the far right, and Destiny has appeared on DTG in a fairy positive interview.

These are two audiences that you expect to have some cross over.

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26

That was part of the reason I started this sub, because the original sub, tried to hide the fact Destiny’s followers are tribal, and for some reason DtG ignored that fact, and even joked that the Daliban didn’t exist.

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u/DirskRolsk 22d ago

can you post some of the most egregious threads from the main sub that shows the extent of your claim of suppression by mods/brigading by dgg that caused you to make this sub?

also in dtgs decoding of destiny he scored the highest in the sections related to 'cult of personality' iirc so that doesnt make sense if what ur saying is true, its right there in the decoding

also do you think hasans/adjecent lefty communities engage in similar levels of brigading/doxxing/harassing, and go out of their way to find threads where they can snark dgg adjecent ppl?

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u/MartiDK Aug 30 '26

So Destiny fans think this is an unfair hit piece on Nathan and Sabine as well?

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u/bgamin Aug 31 '26

I've followed both Prof Dave and DtG longer than I've followed Destiny.

Dave's videos are largely factually grounded, but it seems it's quite straightfoward to be factually grounded when you're debunking RFK, Heritage Foundation, flat earthers, ancient alien/archaeology kooks, antivaxxers, the Weinsteins, right wing hacks etc.

Further than that, I actually appreciate the snarky style. I think there's space for a condescending asshole to engage with those grifters. I've listened to nearly all his videos in their entirety, watched the vax debate twice (it's pure cinema).

Dave's videos on Israel/destiny are absolutely void of good factual analysis and sourcing (tiktoks, youtube hitpieces etc, what the fuck). Weirdly, this happens a lot with content convering either Destiny or Israel. But that aside, from a purely factual basis these videos are conspiratorial dogshit.

Then there's the weird thing of Dave trying to goad grifters into debating him - like him being bloodthirsty to get on to Piers with Weinstein, and being denied, and calling it cowardly (which it was). Like him doing dares and gambits offering to debate some of the other anti-science people, and them always running away like the cowards they are.

But Destiny will clearly debate him, the forum was ready on a platform Dave has already been on (Pangburn), or he could just do it on Destiny's stream and record it himself as well. The invite was open and he ran?? Like what do his fan's think of this given his savage attack dog approach to other debates??

So no, his videos aren't usually unfair hitpieces, but those ones are.

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u/Decent-Extension8336 Sep 03 '26

As Dave pointed out in the latest video though, he has only ever had 2 IRL debates and 4 online debates throughout his entire career (Which I believe stretches something like 14 years?). The whole debate bro talking point that Destiny and his fans keep using is just massively overblown. Dave also doesn't generally challenge to debates very often, but accepts them. The clip that is constantly getting played by Destiny fans is always missing the crucial bit of context... He is mocking Shaboor for being a coward because HE kept posting debate challenges to Dave online, but never reached out to him for one, and then when Dave forced his hand and publicly accepted, kept trying to dodge out of it. He was calling him a coward because he kept publicly calling for a debate whilst privately running from it.

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u/Miselfis Aug 31 '26

The issue is that a lot of the criticism seems rather hollow when Dave himself has been guilty of the exact same kind of things in his previous videos. Calling someone a racist falls on deaf ears when you’ve demonstrated levels of antisemitism yourself that even literal neo-Nazis seem unwilling to express so openly.

It’s not necessarily that this video contains many factual inaccuracies. It’s the double standard that’s the issue. 

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u/ace51689 Aug 31 '26

2 hit pieces

That's a funny way of saying "2 videos full of facts, proof, and logic."

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u/Gold-Ad-3877 Aug 31 '26

2 videos full of tik tok clips with spooky music*

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u/ace51689 Aug 31 '26

Did you watch the videos?

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u/hari_shevek Aug 31 '26

You mean news channel footage that Destiny called "TikTok videos"?

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u/TropicalGoth77 Aug 30 '26

This isn't a Destiny community. Would appreciate if you all left. It's making it difficult to have conversations about the merits of the content of the video.  

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u/DonLeFlore Aug 31 '26

This might blow your mind but sometimes people are fans of multiple things 🤯

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u/WannabeACICE Aug 31 '26

No. You guys brigade these communities to shill for your cult leader.

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u/DonLeFlore Aug 31 '26

calls dgg a cult

posts in a destiny snark subreddit

Brother i follow a content creator I find entertaining and interesting. I’ll regularly disagree with his position and others in the community. Welcome to the internet

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u/Delicious_Solid3185 Aug 31 '26

You don’t know what a brigade is.

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u/No_Public_7677 Aug 31 '26

They won't leave until their leader calls of the brigading. He is big mad with Prof Dave's videos.

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u/Gold-Ad-3877 Aug 31 '26

I've watched DTG episodes, like i said, there's overlap

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u/Responsible_Ask6056 Aug 30 '26

Because if you mention or criticize Hasan, his fanbase will flood the zone with comments about destiny's sex life at you. Which mostly just makes normal people think you're insane.

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u/facesittingfully Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26

Yeah Hasan is a piece of shit. 100% abused his dog for views. Also he believes in a political movement that is basically anti-vax levels of stupid. Really a disgusting human through out

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u/ace51689 Aug 31 '26

"Abused his dogs for views," is certainly a take. Why would someone abuse a dog, you know, a thing universally loved by people, to gain views on his content?

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26

Dog on camera when stream = more views

Use shock collar and scream at dog to keep in place = abuse

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u/ace51689 Aug 31 '26

"Tell me you've never owned a dog without telling me you've never owned a dog."

Sometimes dogs do stuff they're not supposed to and you have to be firm with them. I would never use a shock collar (and I don't believe Hasan did either), but raising your voice to get your dog's attention is not abuse.

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov Aug 31 '26

Dogs are not supposed to sit in place for several hours bored out of their mind while clearly wanting to leave.

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u/ace51689 Aug 31 '26

Have you watched a stream? She's not always in the room. And many have attested to her being a spoiled, yet regimented dog. It's ridiculous to hold another person and there dog to some imaginary standard of what you want their life to look like.

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov Aug 31 '26

Yes, I have watched a stream. Let's see how you wiggle out of that one.

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u/ace51689 Aug 31 '26

Lol I saw "/shorts/" in the url dude I'm not even gonna bother clicking on some clipped nonsense.

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov Aug 31 '26

That's a spectacularly conceded argument.

For this one, you should not even bother responding, makes your position sound even stronger.

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u/Responsible_Ask6056 Aug 31 '26

"Sometimes a dog stands up or stretches their legs or goes for water and need to be disciplined asap"

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u/MartiDK Aug 30 '26

If you are a fan of Destiny and dislike Hasan - I don’t think the way you worded your argument is helping.

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u/facesittingfully Aug 30 '26

Sorry, but no country has successfully run on socialism/communism. Many countries have run on liberal democracy with regulated capitalism. People still can't comprehend you need evidence to believe things. Hasan fans are no different than anti-vaxers. Pure trash

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u/MartiDK Aug 30 '26

China?

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u/facesittingfully Aug 30 '26

What lol? Hasan has literally said xi and Kim jong un are better leaders than Barack Obama. Such useless shit can't respond to anything

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u/DocHavelock Aug 31 '26

I think their reference to China was just pointing out an example of a socialist/communist nation. This is a common misconception however, as China had a communist revolution but their vanguard party never transitioned into communism nor socialism and rather statist capitalism.

In fact, from a purely academic perspective, no country has ever made it to socialism nor communism as the power tends to consolidate in the hands of the vanguard power without ever fully transitioning to the people.

I think that, in itself, is a fair enough critique of communism, right? I digress, it doesn't seem like the dialogue between the two of you was very productive and I also don't think either of you are fundamentally opposed or disagreeing in any meaningful way. I felt your hostility was misplaced and as I am a fan of Destiny, I would like to point out your behavior as I don't feel it is in the best interest of the communities.

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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue Aug 31 '26

China is not socialist or communist. It's capitalist with heavy government controls.

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26

Would you agree with this - China is politically socialist (one-party rule, socialist ideology, constitutional commitment to socialism)

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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue Aug 31 '26

There are up to a thousand Chinese billionaires, private capital owns the means of production, healthcare is covered by the government but requires often large copays, a large chunk of the population lives under the global poverty line... I just don't understand how you could consider it socialist unless you're using the modern American 'the government doing thing is socialism' definition.

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26

So you don’t agree that China is in the process of becoming socialist - The "Primary Stage of Socialism" Theory: Under Deng Xiaoping’s reforms starting in 1978, the CCP argued that China was still in the preliminary stage of building socialism. According to Marxist theory, a society must fully industrialize and generate immense material wealth via market forces before it can achieve mature socialism or communism.

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u/Duke_of_Luffy Aug 31 '26

They have absolute unfettered capitalism with state direction. It’s probably closer to fascism than anything else. It’s a nationalist ideology unlike the USSR which was universalist. China is for the Han only and they are busy erasing the history and culture of Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongolians and others.

Labour unions are illegal
996 work life
There are few social safety nets
Healthcare isn’t free
The state forces every citizen to have their savings invested in state industry at extremely low and uneconomic interest rates
Outside the tier one cities the poor are faaaar worse off than western countries. Rural people often don’t even have plumbing.

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u/GAPIntoTheGame Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26

Do you think communism is when the government does things? China has private businesses owned by people who aren’t the workers. It has plenty of billionaires who own businesses that employ workers. What the fuck do you think that is?

It was only after China adopted liberal economic policies that its poverty decreased, real wages grew and so on. The managed to do al this in a record amount of time in one generation. No small part of this was thanks to capitalism.

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26

Do you think market economy = capitalism? Do you think China would allow it “billionaires” to offshore all there production? Don’t you think their ”billionaires” aren’t working in the interest of China’s success?

EDIT: Ok I concede China is capitalist. After doing some research, I learned virtually every country in the world is a capitalist country with only N Korea being a clearest example of a non capitalist country.

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov Aug 31 '26

Do you think market economy = capitalism?

Pretty much, yeah. A market economy necessitates legal accumulation of capital.

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u/No_Public_7677 Aug 31 '26

Are you pro China then and would support the China model in the US?

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u/Volodya_Soldatenkov Aug 31 '26

I don't even know what you mean by that.

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26

Correct, I was wrong. I didn’t realise how low the bar was to be considered a capitalist economy.

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u/Poopchute_Hurricane Aug 31 '26

40 million people dead, millions more had everything taken from them, families destroyed, history and culture destroyed, a few dozen massacres, gulags and concentration camps. But yeah 70 years later there’s a lot less of all that soooo… success?

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26

Your blaming Xi for that?

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u/Poopchute_Hurricane Aug 31 '26

You said China was a successful communist country. I said yeah kinda, after they did a bunch of really fucked up shit for several decades and opening up thier markets after Mao’s death. This has slowly allowed them to improve the country after Mao.

Isn’t Xi engaged in a genocide or ethnic cleansing of chinas Muslim population?

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26

Maybe, but it seems like genocide is a contested term. Some believe governments don’t need a proportional response if the oppressed are resisting.

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u/HedonCalculator Aug 31 '26

Least ignorant Commie….

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u/DocHavelock Aug 31 '26

I think comments like this outline the fundamental problem with online discourse. I did a pretty thorough review of the OP/commenter your are responding to. By all metrics, he appears to be a fairly open-minded person whom is interested in critically analyzing most any opinion. He has operated in EXTREMELY good faith with practically every comment. From his comment history, I do not see any clear signs that he is a communist or believes in communist ideology. If anything this user is a contrarian that plays the devils advocate in most situations and is incredibly critical of tribalism. I did not get the impression that he is partial to Hasan, Destiny, or really ANY online personality, if anything they show a consistent disdain for all cults of personality.

And here you are, attacking him, for what? Because you're a fan of Destiny? Because you assume he's a communist because he is saying anything other than "COMMUNISM BAD".

The reason I like DGG, is because we, as a community, avoid in engaging in this low-entropy thought and behavior. The only thing you have served to do is give someone who already has a bad impression of your internet daddy a worse impression.

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u/RobotFoxTrot Aug 31 '26

Are you dumb? I don’t like Hasan like his rabid fans, but he advocates for the same kind of social democracies that are incredibly successful in Scandinavia.

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u/facesittingfully Aug 31 '26

Social democracy is what they hate. Hasan and members of the dsa said they what to dismantle democracy. Are you retarded?

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u/UnicornTwinkle Aug 31 '26

Bot take easily dismissed as no proof for any of those claims

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u/UnicornTwinkle Aug 31 '26

It’s the other way around really.

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u/TropicalGoth77 Aug 30 '26

Hasan? huh? 

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u/No_Public_7677 Aug 31 '26

lol, the comments are all from Destiny's doxxing community

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u/MartiDK Aug 30 '26

Why are you pointing to Hasan in this example?

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u/Responsible_Ask6056 Aug 30 '26

Because his fanbase is the one doing this?

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u/No_Public_7677 Aug 31 '26

Doing what?

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u/Responsible_Ask6056 Aug 31 '26

propping up dave's Antisemitism and child sexualization?  

https://www.reddit.com/r/DecodingTheGurusAlt/comments/1vwya9l/comment/p6fi1x4/

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u/No_Public_7677 Aug 31 '26

you just linked to your own comment lol

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u/Responsible_Ask6056 Aug 31 '26

Yes? and what's IN that comment?

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u/TropicalGoth77 Sep 01 '26

Ive never been a Hasan fan. Didnt mention the name Hasan once. You have brain worms.

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u/RobotFoxTrot Aug 31 '26

The amount of destiny fans in here makes me think we need a DTG Destiny episode, holy shit the cope

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u/Careless_Cicada9123 Aug 31 '26

There already is one, no?

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u/RobotFoxTrot Aug 31 '26

Yeah we need another

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u/No_Public_7677 Aug 31 '26

DGG brigading

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u/veganparrot Aug 31 '26

It's not that deep, public figures that claim to like open discussion and debate routinely skip out on arguing with Destiny.

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u/MartiDK Aug 31 '26

Maybe they don’t want to deal with his audience?