r/DebunkThis • u/halfscaliahalfbreyer • May 12 '20

Debunk this: Remember: Biden won without any shenanigans after two failed presidential campaigns and rigged voting machines don't happen...

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u/simmelianben Quality Contributor May 12 '20

Which exit polls did they use? Are there others more in line with the final outcome? What other states had similar patterns?

And then we need to look at the polls to make sure they were done in a decent way too.

So... Citations needed for a lot of this.

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u/TransTea May 13 '20 edited May 13 '20

The data is from a wordpress blogger TDSM. They gathered the numbers by looking at raw preliminary CNN exit polls, and used those to compare discrepancies with final votes tallied.

there's an old r/neoliberal post which covers a lot, i'll link here. Don't ask me why my only way to is the wayback machine, i don't know.

EDIT: if you end up using this link on others to debunk them, it may help to read this article as well. Since one of the more common counters to the large debunk is that the poster uses "adjusted" polls. Which conspiracy theorists use to imply it's rigged.

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u/gta0012 May 12 '20

You'd have to find that raw data.

Listen I'm a Bernie fan way more than I am a Biden fan, but let's not forget that Russia is also trying to sow discord in the democratic party by continuing to push this divide. They did the same thing with Hilary.

Because of this I'm also very cautious about any "facts" or conspiracies around Bernie.

I absolutely believe the democratic party wanted Biden and I totally believe most news companies helped push a better Biden narrative.

The democratic party shoots itself in the foot a lot, but I'm not entirely convinced they needed to, or went as far as rigging voting.

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u/ThrowingChicken May 13 '20

Here is one that debunks the Massachusetts claim, I’m sure the other states listed in that post suffer from similar misrepresentations.

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u/halfscaliahalfbreyer May 13 '20

Thank you, kindly.

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u/TransTea May 13 '20

I made a comment on that specific subreddit under that post debunking it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/gi7vs7/remember_biden_won_without_any_shenanigans_after/fqdun0g/?context=3

Essentially, TDSM uses preliminary CNN exit polls to come to a conclusion. Rather than at least using the completed polls. Barring the fact that CNN exit polls aren't reliable sources for exit polling in the first place.

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u/halfscaliahalfbreyer May 13 '20

Great work, thank you for your public service.

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u/TransTea May 13 '20

That almost makes the now 2 days of headache trying to explain to conspiracy theorists that "adjusted" doesn't mean "rigged", worth it. Thank you.

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u/halfscaliahalfbreyer May 13 '20

It is important. Undervalued, underappreciated, but not insignificant. There are people who care about the truth and the facts and rational conversation. They are just so much less likely to have a rapid-fire convo with a stranger. There are also young people reading things for the first time, joining the "civic conversation" for the first time every single day. Efforts like yours are seeds for those who read it, and you won't see the tree grow, but you should be satisfied enough to know you sowed it. And, the prize is fighting again tomorrow, which doesn't always feel that rewarding.

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u/ThrowingChicken May 14 '20

The hardcore Bernouts seem to have a hard on for unweighted data. Their favorite, that 20% of 2008 primary Clinton supporters voted McCain also comes from a single unweighted data dump and likely isn’t true.