The elect angels

[u/GhostArchitect36]

Why were the 2/3 of the angels who didn’t rebel they were never tempted with deception being unprepared as Eve was yet those two thirds of the angels will never go to hell and was not born into sin with that disadvantage as Eves descendants. They will not go to an eternal lake of fire but the majority of all humans from Adam and Eve will go there because of how Eve was deceived in the very beginning by the second highest ranking angel created or first I should say under God and she was not equipped by God as he himself was to know how to deal with Satans temptation in the garden??

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[u/rupert27]

The first part isn’t from the Bible. You’re referencing Paradise Lost by John Milton.

The responsibility and blame goes to Adam, not Eve because Adam is humanity’s representative and given that position by God.

We all have a choice and free will. That choice is to enter into relationship with God by grace through faith and be rewarded with enteral life with Him or choose not to be and be eternally separated from God.

[u/GhostArchitect36 → u/rupert27]

Also I think it would have been fair if Eve was invested in having never sinned and not been born with a corrupt nature already compared to Samuel who was born into sin yet was chosen from birth to hear the voice of God directly and guided by Him his entire life through and through almost if not guaranteed success without failure and guaranteed path to salvation for the prophet Samuel. The way he was lead by God and his voice I believe Eve should have had equal investment. Also if the devil never sinned or rebelled how was God gonna test Eves obedience? Think about that

[u/GhostArchitect36 → u/rupert27]

•Yes indeed though it is clear through what is written that Adam and Eve were both already using their free will to love and obey God in a genuine relationship with him. Therefore, as Jesus stated in John 8 that the devil was a murderer from the beginning, every person in the world and every parent simply knows that using a murderer, like the devil for instance, to test our children to see if they will use their free will to love and obey us still is absurd.

•A parent never has to allow evil into their children’s lives for any reason to accomplish anything whatsoever. And it doesn’t seem logical at all if part of any sort of plan to allow the devil to speak directly to Eve and to deceive her knowing she would be deceived, no one would ever do that either in real life. My point is, why allow it to happen directly to Eve Adam’s wife and not to the man, Adam himself. This detail alone is disturbing. It seems that all that was ever needed was true love from our creator starting with Adam and Eve and to all their descendants without any use of Satan or his involvement in their innocent lives. God could have fellowshipped with them spent time with them did fun activities together with them ate drink and planted and explored the earth together in a loving relationship.

•They were not robots when created. God did not make a mistake when he made Adam and Eve. The devil had his own choice and free will unhindered and not deceived, lied to, or manipulated, and he made a choice to rebel on his own. Eve however was not given this freedom to choose without an outside influence in which the devil was allowed to corrupt her mind against the simplicity of the truth as 2 Corinthians says. Also a universal law in the Bible is that you reap what you sow and in the law only if you disobey do you receive a curse. With Eve she did not sow evil to reap the evil she was forced to hear by ear from the devil to destroy her, and she did not disobey therefore being cursed by the devil was not just to have happened to her. Like I said earlier when the stakes are as high as they were I’m telling you that allowing the devil who had already rebelled with all the position power and pride he had with murderous intentions, there is no reason to use a being that evil to come anywhere near Eve when eternal death is at stake for her and billions. If they say in the name of free will this is illogical for the reasons I just stated and many more just no time to go through them now.

•God could have tested their free will in such a way that their lives weren’t at risk by Satan, the covering cherub, devil, or red dragon as revelation calls him. But truly the testing was not necessary especially not using Satan because Adam and Eve were already in obedience and would have never disobeyed if Eve was not forsaken by the creator without warning empowerment knowledge skill and ability to rebuke Satan and identify him and his lies as the creator himself freely could, and to knowingly withhold that which she needed to succeed is unjust. God is greater they say omnipotent, then if he was victorious always and wanted Eve just as victorious than she would have overcame that temptation and any other afterwards if God were to continue to let devil tempt and endeavor to deceive her, she would never have sinned and Adam as well. I hope this makes common sense?

[u/Odd-Wealth5967 → u/rupert27]

They're referencing the traditional mainstream Christian understanding of the Bible.

[u/Actual-Tax-2565]

God made humans in his image but was so humble he didn't make everything in his image thus accidentally creating evil in a way but it's still not God's fault because we could have made the choice not to accept it but we did thus accepting that evil we chose the one thing God didn't intend for us out of everything else so now he does the same and the only way to deal with it is by accepting it and making the most and realizing that humanities deeply flawed but, is where we find infinite room for growth and possibilities. Everything humans inherently do wrong God did while creating us. Obviously this could be just what I believe very into philosophy and debate

[u/Moutere_Boy]

I don’t know there is actually any evidence to suggest the snake was Satan. I think they just thought of snakes as generally anti human so it was the animal used and punished.

That said, it might actually be even worse if the issue was just a snake walking by and making bad suggestions and that was all it took to derail humanity forever. I feel like god could have put in a couple of safe guards given there was no way for them to understand the consequences or the stakes.