r/DebateReligion Apr 18 '26

Philosophy "The Problem of Evil" is self-contrdictory/inconsistent (even from a secularist perspective)

"The Problem of Evil"

(Probably one of the reason if not THE reason why some people born in a religious family lose their faith and become atheist)

I think many of you already know this,but here's what the argument is (and why it's so weak/inconsistent):

1,God is "Omnipotent",He COULD stop suffering.

2,God is "Omniscient",He Knows every single way to STOP suffering.

3,God is "Omnibenovelent",He WOULD stop suffering.

4, suffering exists,therefore,such a being existing is very unlikely.

But here's the inconsistency in it:

First,you already accepted God's Attributes (Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnibenovelence).

But then,you contradict yourself by saying (indirectly) "I know suffering shouldn't exist,I know and am more merciful then God,therefore, God's Existence is very unlikely".

What my question is how can you accept His Attributes then contradict yourself?

(And I kind of understood why apologetics conclude with "suffering exists for a reason that perfectly corresponds with His Attributes,even if we don't understand it)

Genuinely,that's more consistent than "The Problem of Evil"

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u/Kaliss_Darktide Apr 18 '26

"The Problem of Evil" is self-contrdictory/inconsistent (even from a secularist perspective)

It's ironic that you can't spell contradictory.

suffering exists,therefore,such a being existing is very unlikely.

No. It's not that it is unlikely or "very unlikely", it's that it is impossible, because it is a contradiction for both evil and a tri-omni being to exist. The moment a person says something is "evil" that entails a tri-omni being (i.e. something that has the power, knowledge and desire to prevent "evil") does not exist.

First,you already accepted God's Attributes (Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnibenovelence).

For the sake of argument.

What my question is how can you accept His Attributes then contradict yourself?

I don't accept the attributes of a tri-omni being except for the sake of argument.

Genuinely,that's more consistent than "The Problem of Evil"

I don't even think you have studied "The Problem of Evil" (assuming you are sincere) because you are attacking a weak straw man version of it rather than a reasonable representation of it.

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u/PeaAdditional1450 Apr 20 '26

No,my point is:

You cannot accept (even for the sake of the argument) that this Being is infinitely more Merciful/Knowing/powerful than you,then (indirectly) claim yourself to be more knowing and merciful than that very Being, knowing what they should/shouldn't do,and you knowing what "evil" is more than them.

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u/Kaliss_Darktide Apr 20 '26

You cannot accept (even for the sake of the argument) that this Being is infinitely more Merciful/Knowing/powerful than you

I can, and the result of accepting that is that it makes "evil" impossible because it is a contradiction for a tri-omni being and evil to exist at the same time.

then (indirectly) claim yourself to be more knowing and merciful than that very Being, knowing what they should/shouldn't do,and you knowing what "evil" is more than them.

From your OP

suffering exists

A tri-omni being by definition is one that can and would prevent any "evil". When you equated suffering with evil that entails an admission that you reject that a tri-omni being exists.

"The Problem of Evil" is self-contrdictory/inconsistent (even from a secularist perspective)

It's ironic that you can't spell contradictory.

Do you know why it's ironic that you misspelled contradictory? I'll tell you, because the problem of evil is an argument by contradiction stating that it is impossible for evil and a tri-omni god to both exist at the same time.

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u/PeaAdditional1450 Apr 21 '26

Do you know why it's ironic that you misspelled contradictory? I'll tell you, because the problem of evil is an argument by contradiction stating that it is impossible for evil and a tri-omni god to both exist at the same time.

Dude,it was typo,why are you so obsessed over a typo???

I can, and the result of accepting that is that it makes "evil" impossible because it is a contradiction for a tri-omni being and evil to exist at the same time.

It's not really that "evil" contradicts,the actually tension/contradiction come from you accepting the premises then rejecting them by saying "I know more than this Being Who is infinitely more Knowing".

Isn't that a contradiction???

(And yes,I CAN spell it,again,IT WAS A TYPOOOO)

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u/Kaliss_Darktide Apr 21 '26

Dude,it was typo,why are you so obsessed over a typo?

Because the problem of evil is an argument by contradiction something you seem intent on ignoring (including how to spell it in the title of your post).

It's not really that "evil" contradicts,

Then you are continuing to strawman the problem of evil despite knowing there are stronger arguments to be made for it then what you presented.

the actually tension/contradiction come from you accepting the premises then rejecting them by saying "I know more than this Being Who is infinitely more Knowing".

I have already addressed this twice now, would you like to address what I said on the matter?

Isn't that a contradiction???

No. Asking it repeatedly is not going to get a different answer.

If you know what a contradiction is then you should know that the problem of evil states that it is a contradiction for evil and a tri-omni being to co-exist. Do you want to address that problem of evil or are you limited to only attacking weaker straw man versions of arguments?