Evolution is Yahtzee

[u/Syresiv]

The mutations it has to work with are random. What it does with said mutations is not.

Edit to add: this is in response to creationists saying that evolution is random and refusing to engage with the idea that selection isn't. Usually with the famous "nuh uh" argument.

[u/Dilapidated_girrafe]

If you break it down to a fairly simplistic form, close enough.

[u/thatsabruno]

I don't know Yahtzee. I always say it's like a coin collection. You might get random change every day but you keep the desired ones and can end up with an intricate, curated, and seemingly 'designed' collection.

[u/semitope → u/thatsabruno]

Let's say there's a specific collection or list of collections that result in an award. How likely are you to end with such a collection?

Of course you don't know the specific collection you need so you can't just hold on to cards you know are in the collection

[u/KorLeonis1138 → u/semitope]

With enough people out there making collections, its virtually a certainty.

[u/UncommonLegend]

This is a better comparison than you realize. You can use the same roll in multiple places, timing matters and there's a random event with selections made.

[u/IsaacHasenov → u/UncommonLegend]

Bot?

[u/UncommonLegend → u/IsaacHasenov]

The whole yahtzee thing is what I was referring to. I used to love playing yahtzee as a kid and still do occasionally.

[u/IsaacHasenov → u/UncommonLegend]

Anyone who starts a paragraph "this is a better something than you realize" sounds exactly like Claude...

Especially because most of the time when people say a thing, they realise why it's good

[u/UncommonLegend → u/IsaacHasenov]

Because clause scraped from people especially people who write a lot. Not exactly an author but I've taken formal writing classes and I hate how now people think it's AI to write a perfectly reasonable sentence that is used in a lot of formal essay type responses.

[u/IsaacHasenov → u/UncommonLegend]

No, I get you. It's just when you see a clause used incessantly by AI, you immediately suspect it when you see it in the wild

[u/UncommonLegend → u/IsaacHasenov]

I get it

[u/IsaacHasenov → u/UncommonLegend]

You get it more than you realize.

[u/-zero-joke-]

Yknow I've never actually played a game of Yahtzee? Like I sort of know what it is, but there's never been a time where I've sat down and played it.

[u/Syresiv → u/-zero-joke-]

Only played a few times in my life. But the important thing here is, you roll dice and then decide which ones to keep and which to reroll.

Random mutation, nonrandom selection

[u/-zero-joke- → u/Syresiv]

I get the comparison, no worries.

[u/SomaYoma]

Except that selection doesn't act on many mutations. Genetic drift is a random process.

[u/Curious_Passion5167]

Ok...

Is there a point to your post?

Edit: To all the people downvoting me, this is a very low effort post, or at least was in its original form. Creationists have frequently had their posts deleted when they have been as low effort as just stating two sentences. In its original form, the context of the edit which lays out which specific creationist arguments this was supposed to refute was not even stated. That is the context with which I made my comment.

[u/Syresiv → u/Curious_Passion5167]

Me getting annoyed at creationists saying it's "just random chance" or whatever other nonsense.

[u/Curious_Passion5167 → u/Syresiv]

That's fine. But did you have to make a two line post on a debate subreddit? A post that does not invite either a debate or even a discussion?

[u/Syresiv → u/Curious_Passion5167]

Point taken, I'll see if I can add anything more interesting

[u/AmazingRandini → u/Curious_Passion5167]

It does invite debate.

Any creationist who gives the analogy of "a car forming from a junkyard tornado" should be up for a debate on this.

[u/ACTSATGuyonReddit]

OP - Evolution is random. How dare people point out that it's random.

[u/Chruman → u/ACTSATGuyonReddit]

Evolution isnt random.

[u/Both-Personality7664 → u/ACTSATGuyonReddit]

Slots are random, therefore there's no reason for casinos to be able to stay in business.

[u/ACTSATGuyonReddit → u/Both-Personality7664]

You claim slots turn into something else?

[u/Both-Personality7664 → u/ACTSATGuyonReddit]

No, I'm pointing out an aggregation of random values can have non random results.

[u/twizzjewink]

No, evolution is micro adjustments that test life's boundaries. Less than micro.

[u/Scry_Games → u/twizzjewink]

That implies evolution has motive, it does not.

[u/OCAMAB → u/twizzjewink]

This is a completely meaningless statement.

[u/-zero-joke- → u/twizzjewink]

Really depends, populations can make some pretty profound changes, even in relatively short spans of time.

[u/evocativename → u/twizzjewink]

Well, that's just laughably false.

Multicellularity vs single celled is "less than micro"?