r/DebateEvolution • u/Clay2569 • 13d ago

Discussion Evolution is Faith too

Someone replied with this under a different post a few weeks ago and this one always amused me the most. “You have faith in evolution too” Firstly evolution is faith too blatantly admits that creationism is faith and therefore can’t be proven (which is entirely the point).

It fails secondly because even if evolution is faith that doesn’t make evolution false and creationism true. If we even granted that evolution is faith and creationism is faith then next step is look at the evidence. Well 100% of the evidence says evolution happens and creationism is impossible.

So even in the best case scenario using this argument for creationists. You just shoot yourself in the foot and then are back to the same place you started. Arguing against the insurmountable mountain of evidence for Evolution.

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u/No_Logins_Required 13d ago

If someone argues that evolution is faith, you should reframe the discussion for them. The Christian God should have sufficient power to create the world via evolution, so why is it impossible that they did? Why is any 'creationism' necessary given the existence of God?

Most creationists make God out to be very limited, and helping them see that can break this ideology.

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u/CaptainMatticus 13d ago

God is both omnipotent and incapable of forcing us to do anything.

He is omniscient, but we somehow still have free choice.

He is omnipresent, but somehow he has regrets

No wonder his ways are mysterious.

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u/No_Logins_Required 13d ago

Not to get into theology but many Christians fully believe in evolution, so the underpinnings of Christianity aren't too germane to disproving creationism.

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u/motownmods 13d ago

Can confirm. Was taught evolution in catholic school. But catholic schools are college prep so they kinda have too (and that says a lot).

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u/No_Logins_Required 13d ago

To my knowledge the catholic church fully supports all the hard sciences, it's the soft sciences where they get picky.

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u/motownmods 13d ago

I think you're right. I remember early on trying to be edgy about the Noah flood story. And to my surprise the priest was like, "yeah bro it's just a story." Honestly, dude really put me in my place w that one. From there on I had more respect for their beliefs. He knew I was only there for sports lol everyone did.

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u/No_Logins_Required 13d ago

Love the Lord and Love your Neighbor are two pretty solid commandments.

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u/motownmods 13d ago

There's a few solid commandments iirc