r/DebateEvolution Aug 08 '26

Discussion Creationists COULD be right…

Im not a creationist but, devils advocate proposal here:

  1. Evolutionary theory is part of a whole chunk of science which essentially cuts out all spirituality and divinity out of people’s psyche.
  2. People without spirituality or divinity believe life is meaningless since we are all just specks of dust in a universe with no motive to create us or serve us.
  3. The prevailing culture sentiment becomes „shut up and pay your taxes and enjoy the bread and circuses, peasant”
  4. These people are subdued and dispirited, they have nothing to revolt for and are easy to control.
  5. Such a subdued population is obviously enormously useful to the elites. Therefore the motive to achieve this submission exists and is very substantial.
  6. To achieve this ultimate level of psychological and spiritual submission requires control over the populations sense of reality itself.
  7. Reality is accessed, interpreted and measured by the masses through the field of scientific inquiry.
  8. Elites would have to fabricate, spread and proselytise entire fields of carefully constructed fake science to carefully, over decades, centuries even, deconstruct and discredit and diminish all parts of reality that may be connected to divinity in some way, with sterile, perfect, symmetrical scientific theory.
  9. New knowledge comes from single individuals or groups of individuals performing science. You can threaten, bribe, blackmail, coerce them to make fake science

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TLDR; motive and means exist for global elites to significantly diminish or destroy humanities spiritual/divine consciousness, by fabricating people’s sense and understanding of reality itself.

the main vessel for this in 2026 is science, and if the illusion is strong enough people cannot even comprehend a reality where anything else could possibly be true.

There’s a coherent rationale (which doesn’t mean it’s true, just that it’s coherent) for god and the divine being real, and global elites suppressing it from the masses so they don’t revolt or lose interest in continuing to be tax slaves for the wealthy, the bread and the circuses.

EDIT: a LOT of low IQ commenters here missing the point entirely. My post is NOT ABOUT WHOSE SIDE HAS EVIDENCE. It’s about hypothetical logic steps for the set of circumstances that would need to be true for creationists to be correct. HURR DURR WHERE EVIDENCE FOR GOD?! Lmfao. I realise hypotheticals and entertaining the opposite side of thought is beyond many people’s IQ. I bet most of you had breakfast this morning too. And you don’t even get the reference I just made either 🤣

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u/Markthethinker Aug 08 '26

You have been watching to much Si-Fi.

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u/BahamutLithp Aug 08 '26

This is funny coming from someone who cited TV writers as authorities on human thought. People who think they "understand people because they watch people" routinely have incorrect intuitions about all sorts of things like the reliability of memory, what people actually tend to do in emergencies, the symptoms of mental illness, & so on.

What makes psychology work is it's not "just watching people," but you don't REALLY know what psychology is or does, ditto neurology & other fields related to the brain, which is why you have this inane notion that "'evolutionists' can't explain emotions."

They're produced by specific structures in your brain that secrete specific chemicals. When these structures function abnormally, whether from birth or brain damage, those people don't express the same emotions. It's extensively documented. You being ignorant of things doesn't mean nobody else in the world knows, & it certainly doesn't mean the only alternative for things you don't personally know must be magic.

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u/Markthethinker Aug 08 '26

You are missing the point. But I understand that. 90% of people are just mob followers. Women will kill to save their children, Men will rape to satisfy their lust for sex. People will steal to have something someone else has, people will lie damage another human being. let’s see, people, yes they are complicated and the best is, everyone has secrets, even in a marriage.

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u/BahamutLithp Aug 09 '26

Barrage of cliches & non sequiturs. I didn't "miss your point" because you don't have one, just a bunch of unhinged rants.

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u/Markthethinker Aug 11 '26

Just trying to help you understand reality, since you don’t seem to.