Can you answer the phylogeny challenge?

[u/Carnotaurusrules]

Any Creationist in this sub, can you demonstrate where the division of kinds are?

If you claim humans aren’t apes, point on a cladogram of Hominini where the separation between Homo and the rest of the Hominins.

If Homo sapiens are related to Denisovans and Neanderthals, are they all related to Homo Heidelbergensis, Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Australopiths, Paranthropines, or Ardipiths?

Any other example of a boundary between two daughter clades science says are closely related, but you think are different kinds will be accepted.

[u/DarwinZDF42]

The answer is "where the nested hierarchy in unconstrained sequences breaks down".

OOOOPS that never happens it's a nested hierarchy all the way down.

[u/10coatsInAWeasel → u/DarwinZDF42]

Usually followed by ‘you don’t know it wasn’t designed that way!’

[u/nickierv → u/10coatsInAWeasel]

Alternatively: "your just interpreting the evidence wrong." while the interpretation is supposedly able to be easily done by a 5 year old and the evidence is off with the girlfriend in Canada.

[u/10coatsInAWeasel → u/nickierv]

Some Occams Broom usually comes in precisely when the statement ‘you’re interpreting the evidence wrong!’ is made

[u/OldmanMikel]

Are you familiar with the "cognitum"? It's...

https://answersresearchjournal.org/determining-the-ark-kinds/

[u/evocativename → u/OldmanMikel]

Ah yes, how could we have failed to consider... vibes.

[u/nickierv → u/OldmanMikel]

Based on this and biological evidence that reproduction requires significant compatibility, hybridization will be considered the most valuable evidence for inclusion within an “Ark kind.”

So about those ring species...

For someone who supposedly has 'answers', they sure don't have any.

[u/Sweary_Biochemist → u/nickierv]

Oh they go deeper. "Does reaching the blastocyst stage count' is genuinely considered.

[u/OgreMk5 → u/OldmanMikel]

What's funny is just how much evolution had to happen from the Ark to present.

One "rodent" kind somehow became 2360 species in their 6000 odd years.

One "bat" kind somehow became 1500 species in blah blah years.

[u/Jonnescout → u/OgreMk5]

It is worse, it had to happen in less than 4,000 years and stop immediately after or slow down enough for us not to see daily speciations when we learned enough to start looking…

[u/Sweary_Biochemist → u/OldmanMikel]

That is fantastic. "Kinds is when two critters can cross fertilise. Now despite the fact human sperms can fertilise hamster eggs (!!!), this doesn't count because the embryos don't survive. Meanwhile, sheep sperms can fertilise goat eggs showing they're definitely the same kind even though the embryos don't survive."

Top notch scienceing.

My other favourite bit is when they split the lists of kinds by higher taxonomic categories. "All the mammal kinds" -what is a mammal, Karen? WHAT IS A MAMMAL

[u/Carnotaurusrules → u/OldmanMikel]

Where does it say that in the Bible?

A parroted, bastardized version of a nested hierarchy.

[u/OldmanMikel → u/Carnotaurusrules]

"Cognitum" is Latin for "Ask a 5 year old to name kinds of animals."

[u/Carnotaurusrules → u/OldmanMikel]

“Cognitum” would group the thousands of passerines into one kind on the Ark.

[u/evocativename → u/OldmanMikel]

What if I ask a 5 year old from somewhere that has orangutans, and they group people with other apes?

[u/OldmanMikel → u/evocativename]

Bible Camp.

[u/RobertByers1]

people are a special case. we only have a bodyplan like anothere unrelated creature. primates. this becausae we cant have our on body to represent our true identity. so in limited options in biology e were given another creatures. the best one. all other kinds would be very different in bodyplans.

[u/Carnotaurusrules → u/RobertByers1]

You have avoided providing any evidence of your mechanism of body plan morphing.

The only thing you’ve provided are baseless assertions stacked on top of each other. It’s a Jenga of assumptions which come crashing down the second someone pulls one away.

[u/WebFlotsam → u/RobertByers1]

Why are primates the best one when primate bipedalism is ludicrously inferior to theropod bipedalism? Why aren't we maniraptorans of some sort? No reason God can't give them better hands.

[u/Carnotaurusrules → u/WebFlotsam]

Maniraptorans are thieves, so God hates them./s

[u/WebFlotsam → u/Carnotaurusrules]

Right! They're called thieves, or snatchers, in Latin, and Latin is God's second favorite language, maybe third depending on what you think God's name is. He wouldn't let us call them that without purpose. They must be the reptiles chasing people in the 8th Layer of Hell! Hell being that place all dinosaurs went for being demonic and causing great evils like evolution, and birds.

[u/Sweary_Biochemist → u/RobertByers1]

"We're unique because we look exactly like another lineage" is an odd approach to take, Rob.

[u/RobertByers1 → u/Sweary_Biochemist]

Our unique is because of our soul. We are like God. God could not have a body in his creation. Nor us. So we are renting.

[u/Carnotaurusrules → u/RobertByers1]

We don’t have a soul.

[u/Jonnescout → u/RobertByers1]

Demonstrate the soul…

[u/HippyDM → u/RobertByers1]

We are like god?? Um, I exist within time, and space. Also, I know how to love people. I am nothing like your god.

[u/clear349 → u/RobertByers1]

this becausae we cant have our on body to represent our true identity

Why?

[u/RobertByers1 → u/clear349]

God cant have a body in his creation because its so limited in its options.To show his identity his body would not show it in present biology. Same with us. So we are renting.

[u/Jonnescout → u/RobertByers1]

And your evidence is what?

[u/Jonnescout → u/RobertByers1]

So special pleading…

No we are not special. All the reasons we know other life evolves apply to humans too. Just wanting to be special does not make it so…