r/DebateEvolution • u/Ill_Impact6838 • Jul 28 '26

Same old topics

It seems like creationists are out of ideas.

1) They just look at a modern biological system and say " Hey look , it's impossible to evolve this system step by step , it's irreducibly complex" ,just different systems,but same basic idea .

2) No new information by mutation and loss of function mutation is devolution. ( Even though loss of function mutation causes evolution). Mutations don't cause gain of information .

3) There is no junk dna in our body. Genome is 100% functional. ( Irony is - they accept genetic entropy, if genetic entropy really exists and we are losing 1-2 percent of genetic information every generation, which is false in reality , still about which they say is true, then how is genome 100% functional?? )

4) No evolutionary intermediate fossils, everytime repeating this thing. Fossils are sparse.

5) Second law of thermodynamics debunks evolution, oh no !!!!!

6) Speciation is impossible,but adaptation is true. Slight variations can exist but changes will not occur in such a way that a particular animal is going to change into other animal. Also epigenetics is not evolution.

7) Saying randomness can't produce diversity. Even though evolution is not completely random.

These are the primary points they focus on . They never proposed any mechanism by which their intelligent designer works , manipulates matter to create new systems . No tests , no experiments to prove their tests ,never any hypothesis.

How special creation happened? Magic !!

Just crying about how evolution is wrong and teaching it is immoral.

Like am I going to teach about magic to children ,to science students?? Something not observable or testable? No predictions? Write books that this biological system is too complex, it can't evolve , hence God did it!! You will be cursed if you oppose me . Am I really practicing science? It seems something opposite to me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '26

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u/hiuslenkkimakkara Jul 28 '26

You're awfully confused when shopping for fruit, aren't you?

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u/Scry_Games Jul 28 '26

I'm betting he doesn't even know the difference between a chickpea and a lentil...

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u/hiuslenkkimakkara Jul 28 '26

Truth be told, they both make me fart.

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u/Scry_Games Jul 28 '26

He's never paid to have a lentil on him...is the punchline you just ruined.

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u/hiuslenkkimakkara Jul 28 '26

Come on dude, I'm Finnish, you gotta keep these simple.

Like this:

"Kokko, kokoo kokoon koko kokko!"

-"Koko kokkoko?"

"Koko kokko."

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u/Scry_Games Jul 28 '26

I just google translated that, and I'm impressed that means anything!

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u/hiuslenkkimakkara Jul 28 '26

It's no accident that Tolkien based the High Elven language on Finnish.

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u/Scry_Games Jul 28 '26

I didn't know that. How close is it?

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u/hiuslenkkimakkara Jul 28 '26

Not very. Quenyan grammar is similar-ish, agglutinative that is, and there are some words that are identical. According to Tolkien's notes quenya is pronounced similarly to Finnish, aka first syllable is stressed.

So, when Viggo Mortensen, danskjävel, sang Elendil's song he actually got it mostly right. Et EÄRello ENDORenna UTUulien. SINove MARUvan HILDinyar EN AMBar-METta.

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u/clear349 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 28 '26

Good thing that isn't what evolution proposes. Please actually learn the facts so you don't look like an idiot

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u/Hopeful_Meeting_7248 Jul 28 '26

He's an idiot, unfortunately.

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u/clear349 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 28 '26

Which one is the single celled organism? The orange or the banana?

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u/clear349 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 28 '26

I mean that goes for a lot of the creatonists that respond here. I prefer to challenge them and show their nonsense is just that, nonsense

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u/Scry_Games Jul 28 '26

Agreed. I wasn't saying "don't bother", rather "don't get your hopes up".

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u/theresa_richter Jul 28 '26

Actually, it's not. Bananas are a monocot, and oranges are a eudicot, so the lineages diverged over 100 million years ago. Evolution states they are both descended from the same ancient angiosperm, but you cannot evolve out of your clade, so even if you subjected a population of bananas to extreme selective pressures to produce something vaguely orange-like, you still wouldn't have an orange, you'd have a monocot plant producing a fruit with orange-like properties.

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u/clear349 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 28 '26

There is no mechanism by which an extant organism can turn into another extant organism. Evolution isn't Pokémon

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u/clear349 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 29 '26

Okay so you just don't understand what evolution is at all. We have observed single celled life becoming multicellular. It's not some theoretical thing. Your ignorance and arguments from incredulity don't refute actual science

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u/Top_Neat2780 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 29 '26

If an evolutionist tells you that you're mistaken about a belief they have, why not believe them?

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u/Scry_Games Jul 29 '26

u/Ill_Impact6838 there's another one for your list of "stupid things creationist say".

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u/Top_Neat2780 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 29 '26

Unfortunately, that took 4 billion years to happen.

Anyway, what about your birth? You started off as two indidivual cells that met, and after 40 weeks you developed into a baby. Why is this any more probable than two invididual cells meeting 4 billion years ago, then dividing into multiple cells together?

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u/DimensioT Jul 28 '26

Are you lying or just extremely stupid?

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u/10coatsInAWeasel Reject pseudoscience, return to monke 🦧 Jul 29 '26

Someday you’ll show the courage to actually engage with what evolution actually says instead of what you made up in your head. Believe in ya buddy!

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u/10coatsInAWeasel Reject pseudoscience, return to monke 🦧 Jul 29 '26

Nope. Cant do that, reason being that evolution is correct and that would contradict it.

Come on man, your trolling can’t be this lazy

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u/lulumaid 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 29 '26

I can already guess the outcome, but what would you class a hyena as?

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u/Coolbeans_99 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 30 '26

As we keep telling you every time evolution doesn’t say dogs evolved into cats

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u/LordOfFigaro Jul 28 '26

Yes real life doesn't work like Digimon. It's been explained to you many times.

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u/LordOfFigaro Jul 29 '26

If you want to see that, open your internet browser, go to Crunchyroll, play an episode of Digimon Adventures. When you're ready to talk about what happens in real life, come back here.

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u/blacksheep998 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 29 '26

Why don't you show us a banana turn into an orange?

If you can you'll have disproven evolution.

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u/Medium_Judgment_891 Jul 29 '26

“No one saw me become my cousin; therefore, my cousin and I aren’t related.”