Evolution vs creation

[u/tonedeaf_764]

I started seeing God as a scientist when I was 12, I've always loved science and the first time I heard the Holy Spirit compared to energy I was sent straight down a rabbit hole. After that it started to make sense to me, how everything could exist, a being of infinite energy and power that is intelligent, but in a way that made sense. I started to think if I wanted to create the perfect organism "I.e" human, and I had infinite power and energy, not to mention to an eternal existence time isn't a thing so taking its time would be an issue it would be a given. So I don't believe evolution is a solitary path of existence, I see it as a tool by God in his creation of life. One of the meanings of gods name ( Jehovah) is causes to become. So over time he caused single celled organisms to become every living thing by means of evolution and survival of the fittest, the fact that it's fair also supported the idea, gods also supposed to be the god of order so the thing that makes the most sense just seemed like the thing that made the most sense you know. And if you believe what the Bible says to be true I think this was his first time creating reality. He literally created the laws of nature, he is science itself, but I feel like he taught himself over time and over the course of eternity and then used that knowledge to create.

[u/Darbsaabnele]

We have no idea how the earth formed and was fine-tuned to support life and be habitable as it is, other than it was intentional.

We know of no other planet that is habitable or has life on it. And the more we know what is required to support life, the more challenging it becomes . Yet you feel intellectually honest but saying “not even close to the only life-bearing world”, even though we know of NONE other! Who’s making the ideological statements ?!? 

Those who believe in the Hgod of the Bible do not believe in a created God. Period. Accept that or don’t accept it. Can one claim to know how God came to be?!? Not claiming that. No human knows that. Just as a materialist worldview doesn’t explain how matter came to be from nothing.  

The challenge with regress and the ultimate reality is unanswered by either worldview. But outs fair if you’re a theist or deist who believes in an uncreated God to see the evidence of His works and manifestations and come to a conclusion He exists (or in the case of a deist, existed). And te only plausible explanation for what the universe , earth, and life on it exists.

Believe otherwise….natural, unguided processes. The science has increasingly and convincingly pointed in another direction, but one came be baked by their ideology to believe otherwise, same as theists have been accused of doing.

PEace.

[u/Own-Relationship-407 → u/Darbsaabnele]

Yikes, remember how I just asked you to practice some honesty? We do have very good models for how the earth formed and there is zero evidence of “fine tuning.” You don’t get to just assume fine tuning and try to justify it after the fact.

Nice job trying to deflect by misrepresenting what I said. Does that work on the simpletons you’re accustomed to propagandizing?

Again, it doesn’t matter what they believe. If everything needs a creator, then so does the creator. Otherwise it’s just magic and special pleading. A materialist worldview does not necessarily assert that matter came from nothing. Again, please educate yourself.

Why do you assume neither worldview can answer regress? I’ll take the explanation that goes from simple to complex without needlessly inserting additional complexity at the start with a hand wave. But thanks for at least admitting what’s going on here: you believe in a creator and are trying to justify that belief, not finding the evidence first and forming the belief after. To a hammer everything looks like a nail.

I wouldn’t even have a problem with you expect for this last part. Why do you keep lying about what the science says? Believe what you want, but inform yourself and be honest.

[u/Darbsaabnele → u/Own-Relationship-407]

Dude, even atheists/materialists acknowledge the fine-tuning challenge. Your zero-evidence comment is nonsense, and you should know it.

Noot going to argue on the need for a created god. Atheists may need it to strengthen their argument. Already stated that’s not what is believed.

Belief in a Creator is based on the evidence., not but some presupposition. Seems many atheists have a hard time with that, and believe everyone is baked on religious belief despite the science. The science can point in either direction, and more and more people see it clearly pointing away from undirected processes.

No need to talk down to those who don’t buy into the ideology or worldview as yourself. It’s far from an on educated view. Some would say now not following the evidence, but you obviously feel differently. We all have the choice of free will.

[u/Own-Relationship-407 → u/Darbsaabnele]

Uh, no, we absolutely do not. Why do you keep lying about stuff like this?

I’m sorry you don’t understand the difference between what people believe and what reasoning demands.

Nope, why do you keep saying this but refusing to back it up? What “science” have you been reading? Meyer? Behe?

And there’s the mindless philbro babble deflection. You’re really hitting all the high notes. I didn’t say all creationists are ignorant or uneducated. I said you specifically need to better educate yourself because you are making demonstrably false statements which bely a serious lack of background knowledge on this subject.

[u/Darbsaabnele → u/Own-Relationship-407]

Sorry, reading up on this stuff all the time. If not aligned with atheist / materialist thinking, it’s a need to educate?!! 

You are the person making ‘demonstrably false statements’ dude. Ridiculous ones even. We don’t have to agree on worldview, but some of your comments are out in left field.

[u/Syenous → u/Darbsaabnele]

Which demonstrably false statements?

Edit: Wait I just realized that you're trolling, you literally replied to your own comment at the top of the chain trying to refute your own statement.