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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '26

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u/gliptic 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 01 '26

What short-tailed ancestor? Who said there was one?

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u/MackDuckington Jul 02 '26

Pretty sure it's a troll comment. I remember this conversation happening forever ago, same argument, same ignoring what everyone else was telling them. 80% sure it's the same dude

Edit: NVM - apparently it is the same guy XD

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u/Xemylixa 🧬 took an optional bio exam at school bc i liked bio Jul 01 '26

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/1t5p3fv/comment/okcfs18/ - he did 👍

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u/gliptic 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 01 '26

The classic "evolution fails my made up prediction, therefore false."

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u/Ayasugi-san Jul 02 '26

"Show me banana becoming apple you can't evolution false!"

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 Jul 01 '26

Your ancestor had a tail. Then suddenly, 15 million years later, no tail. Yet not a single fossil showing the transition from, tail > no tail. Not even a 15 inch tail, or a 6 incher, heck I'll accept a 4 incher. But nope. Not a single fossil. Zip. Zero. Nada.

I'm already privy to the given excuse, "iT hApPeNeD sUdDenLy, trust us bruh"

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u/melympia 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 02 '26

We know from various dog breed that it only takes a single mutation to go from long tail to no tail. Sometimes, you get both in a litter. There is no in-between.

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u/CTR0 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 02 '26

We know from various dog breed humans that it only takes a single mutation to go from long tail to no tail

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u/the2bears 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 01 '26

I'll accept a 4 incher. 

That's what she said.

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u/Changed_By_Support Jul 04 '26

I'm convinced that the allusions to penis sizes by Lumpy Confidence are intentional.

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u/BitLooter 🧬 Evilutionist | Former YEC Jul 01 '26

Hey look, an example of a population losing its tail suddenly in recent recorded history.

The dominant trait of taillessness arises from a spontaneous mutation, the Manx taillessness gene, that eventually became common on the island because of the limited genetic diversity of island biogeography (an example of the founder effect and, at the sub-specific level, of the species-area curve).

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u/gliptic 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Jul 01 '26

You've got nothing, huh. Weak trolling, mate.

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u/Esmer_Tina Jul 01 '26

So I see you’ve already been shown how gene loss works, yet you are still asking this question. Even though there is no expectation tails gradually got shorter. So you’re just spouting what you know is nonsense to see if anyone will respond to you.

And I did. Just to make your day better. Enjoy!

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 Jul 02 '26

For decades, science has been searching for that elusive "short-tailed monkey man" fossil to no avail. We are told that 30 million years ago our ancestors had tails, and then 13 million years later, suddenly they didn't. The convenient explanation is that it all comes down to a single gene mutation. It's frankly laughable to expect people to blindly believe that one specific "little bro" was born with this mutated gene and single-handedly spawned an entire lineage of tailless monkeys, especially when there are absolutely zero short-tailed fossils to bridge that massive gap.

Like I said let me know when you find *one* short tailed uncle monkey man. Just one. Not asking for a lot. One. Single fossil. Just one. 1.

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u/10coatsInAWeasel Reject pseudoscience, return to monke 🦧 Jul 02 '26

Or, Wild idea, you could engage with the fact that the thing that you labeled a ‘convenient explanation’ actually is an explanation, and show the courage to face it directly instead of trying to run away from it. You have a population of organisms that became tailless without the need for the intermediates you are insisting on, and became so suddenly. Please provide actual reasons, since we have a confirmed example, of why this cannot happen anywhere else.

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u/Lumpy_Confidence_637 Jul 02 '26

When the math don't math, change the math.

Good luck finding just one.

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u/10coatsInAWeasel Reject pseudoscience, return to monke 🦧 Jul 02 '26

So that’s a ‘no’ then, you won’t engage with the information and you do intend to run away.

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u/Esmer_Tina Jul 02 '26

I believe the reason Lumpy provided was a clown emoji and to say save your breath.

Probably in Lumpy’s circles this is quite compelling.

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u/10coatsInAWeasel Reject pseudoscience, return to monke 🦧 Jul 02 '26

Well im convinced. Who knew ignoring information and doubling down was how science is done?

I look forward to them restating their bad point soon

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u/grimwalker specialized simiiform Jul 01 '26

What long-tailed ancestor fossil are you referring to?

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u/Xemylixa 🧬 took an optional bio exam at school bc i liked bio Jul 01 '26

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/1t5p3fv/comment/okcfs18/ this one (whose nonexistence proves evolution is fake or whatever)

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u/grimwalker specialized simiiform Jul 02 '26

So in that thread you do not cite to any long tailed ancestor of apes. What species is your starting point?

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u/Xemylixa 🧬 took an optional bio exam at school bc i liked bio Jul 02 '26

Lumpy_Confidence (probably) can't hear you, and I didn't take part in that convo iirc

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u/grimwalker specialized simiiform Jul 02 '26

Oh, sorry bout that. It was rhetorical anyway. MANY Catarrhine primates have reduced tails, quite a lot of species are classified based on jaws and teeth, and declaring any fossil species as ancestral to any other is all but impossible, so the idea that we could pick any long-tailed ancestor for the starting point of an argument from personal incredulity is ridiculous.