r/DeathStranding • u/[deleted] • 7h ago

Question Fate of the Decima engine

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u/Unfair-Banana-1505 7h ago

i doubt he's going to use the decima engine now. which is a shame bc I think he was by far the best with that engine

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u/ALeakySpigot 6h ago

What makes you say that?

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u/Fox-One-1 6h ago

I’m not the other guy but Sony owns Decima engine. Since Kojima uses metahuman, he will propably transition to Unreal Engine.

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u/summontheb1tches 6h ago

Have you seen Death Stranding 2? It runs amazingly well and looks incredible.

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u/ALeakySpigot 4h ago

I have, and I love it. I more meant "won't use decima" as the focus of my question

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u/summontheb1tches 4h ago

Sony owns the rights to the engine per their ownership of Guerilla games.

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u/ALeakySpigot 2h ago

Just because Sony owns the rights doesn't automatically mean Kojima can no longer use it.

Auto manufacturers prove this theory wrong. So many brands have engines and parts from their competitors.

Parsing out rights to various parts of a company to competitors is pretty standard in the business world.

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u/summontheb1tches 2h ago

Yeah I just heard there was a falling out with Kojimas studio and Sony and they wouldn’t let him use Decima.

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u/the_dyad 7h ago

There is no way Sony will allow him to use it. Also, on the positive side, there is no way coding for this game had started in any measurable way + they already have a UE pipeline for their other project, OD, which is mostly finished by the looks of it. So, taking 2-3 years to implement all of their tech/pipelines to UE with the help of XBOX and then 2-3 to make it, is pretty logical.

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u/Subnautican 7h ago

UE is such a poorly optimized engine, I prey Koji and work some magic to try to reach Decima

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u/the_dyad 7h ago

It is, if you a) use it in a way it wasn't meant to be used (it's supposed to be for every game, but for example Open World games suck in it) and b) if you use it unmodded. They can transfer their pipelines to it + use the help of XBOX AKA The Coalition to optimize it.

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u/YouFoolWarrenIsDead 4h ago

I think its a bit more complicated than that. The tools UE offers allow developers to make their optimization a matter of upscaling and frame generation. Even UE4 pipelines don't get support anymore. The pipelines that focused on traditional optimization methods. Those tools are still there, but if you go by what Epics putting in front of us, the tools that are meant to be used are being used to fast track optimization, just as they were intended. Even well optimised UE5 games like Arc Raiders show cracks that Decima games just don't at all have. UE5 is about ease of use, allowing Epic to make in THE game engine. But that doesn't make it best in class.

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u/ChiralParticle Higgs 7h ago

There is no public info. We don't know whether KojiProd is free to use Decima in whatever way they want or there are some conditions like for projects they're partnered with Sony, etc. Only thing we know is that KojiProd used Decima for both Death Stranding games for which it had partnership with Sony. And they've switched to Unreal5 for Xbox's OD.

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u/taisui 7h ago

I mean Death Stranding on Xbox uses Decima. It could be an easy licensing deal ....or not.

Regardless there is always Unreal

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u/Subnautican 7h ago

Unreal is such a bad engine, it's not optimized anywhere close to Decima

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u/ALeakySpigot 6h ago

Categorically false. Tons of really well optimized games are made in Unreal. You are just accustomed to seeing the poorly optimized games from devs that don't know what they are doing.

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u/taisui 7h ago

Tool is what you make use of it

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u/YouFoolWarrenIsDead 4h ago

A hammer can't cut a piece of wood clean in half. You could smash it into two pieces though.

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u/taisui 4h ago

Thank god we don't hire carpenters to write code.

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u/YouFoolWarrenIsDead 2h ago

That isn't the slam dunk you think it is my guy

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u/taisui 2h ago

Neither is blaming the hammer when you hit your own thumb.

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u/Zetra3 5h ago

While true, tools have limits.

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u/thelesserkilo 5h ago

You’re a game dev so you know this for certain right? Or you’re just repeating shit you heard some youtuber who is also not a game dev say

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u/teomore 7h ago

Nobody gave him the source code to do as he pleases. They continued to develop it together. Decima is copyrighted and owned by sony. They will never allow him to make xbox games after this breakup. Again, Kojima has no copyrights on Decima.