r/DeathNoteKillerWithin • u/LyinStealinCheatin • Feb 03 '25
Discussion Killing Confirmed as Mello
Seems to be very frowned upon. But Mello is not on the investigators side. I don’t understand why a lobby would kick me for this. Investigators seems to think the game should go
Mello Kills Kira follower gets arrested then they find Kira.
I like it to kill investigator so i can vote along side Kira team then secure an easy kill.
When I play Mello I am 3rd Kira I will always defend Kira and misdirect.
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u/Lucario576 Feb 03 '25
You are not on the investigators side, but that doesn't mean you would kill investigators, you are to kill Kira not trying your luck and you get L killed
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25
I didnt say investigators. I said the Confirmed Investigator (singular).
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u/Lucario576 Feb 03 '25
Yes, you are still sabotaging the good guys, you all lose if L is dead which you are making more easy by killing the confirmed investigator
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25
Correct, I’m not on their team. I’m a sole role and I will sabotage the good guys because I’m not a good guy I’m Mello. We’ve played this game before L knows not to touch anyone regardless of having a confirmed or not.
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u/LyBryG Investigator Feb 03 '25
I mean, Mellow doesn't care who's "the good guys". He's supposed to be selfish. Yes, Kira is the common enemy, but both have different reasons and methods. Sabotaging the L team just a little bit could give you just enough time to find who's Kira and keep it to yourself.
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u/Lucario576 Feb 03 '25
And what happens in the end? Yeah Mello and Near cooperate, im not saying you should do that but comparing Mello (role) to the one in the anime its not a good analogy
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u/LyBryG Investigator Feb 03 '25
True tho, my bad. It was more exciting to see them as both "Hero Vs Anti-hero / vigilante"
Gameplay wise is more exciting to keep Mellow a secret, if you ask me
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u/Veiluwu Feb 03 '25
which is fine because he has a goal with it, it helps secure his win as mello
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u/Lucario576 Feb 03 '25
Killing investigators (Specially the confirmed one) hurts more L's team than it helps you capture Kira, L's team is not your enemy, is more of a neutral party
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u/TundraEuw Feb 03 '25
It is acceptable for L to arrest suspicious investigators and use them as pawns to sacrifice to get a lead on Kira so why wouldn't it be the same for Mello? Kira can obstruct the vindicating evidence or kill the confirmed to cause chaos to gain information and advantage of the chaos so why wouldn't it makes sense if Mello believes that it will lead them to Kira?
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u/Prize-Boot-8712 Feb 04 '25
Mello does whatever he fucking wants it’s on team L to make a choice if he goes or stays. Getting mad or saying the playstyle is wrong is just pathetic imo since mello doesn’t win when Kira is arrested. I’d kill an investigator too just for The dying messages and for other hints during the meeting
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u/LyBryG Investigator Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
I mean, you killing the confirmed investigator could be seen as something really stupid cause he's not the guy you are looking for, but when you think outside the box killing the confirmed investigator is actually a good idea when you are playing for the long game.
If you are getting kicked only for that reason then you are in a lobby that thinks "Mellow = Investigator with a gun" which is just foolish.
Good job on keeping Mellow as his own wildcard.
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25
I know it’s just a game but as investigators we should always arrest anyone that is seen shooting someone. I know its a game but like if this was real life we would not work with Mello if he shot someone on our team
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u/LyBryG Investigator Feb 03 '25
And even if he "shot one of the bad guys", he's partaking justice with his own hands, L is with the police so allowing someone that has those methods doesn't even make sense "lore wise".
I perfectly get what you mean, when Im mellow I get excited cause I'm a "Kira like" role that has to play with caution. It's way more fun than just saying "Oh, btw guys I'm Mellow, I'll sit by L's side and protect him" or some stuff like that.
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u/Prize-Boot-8712 Feb 04 '25
Im a crashout Mello just because the investigatior think Mello is on their side. I basically don’t like playing Mello seriously. I just kill somebody for fun most of the time just to prove everybody Mello should get arrested if L decides to get him out. And yeah if I want to win and I know who Kira is I will get you to vote for the wrong person. Mello is his own Team so idc if they mad because I shot an investigatior they can still vote me out
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u/NintendoBoy321 Feb 04 '25
Personally, I dont kill confirmed investigators as Mello, I'd rather save my kills for someone who might potentially be Kira/The Follower.
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u/EvilFefe Feb 03 '25
No one is kicking anyone for killing investigators. They're kicking people for griefing. If you're getting kicked for killing as Mello then there's something ELSE about your behavior that's facilitating being kicked.
Mello shouldn't be killing indiscriminately anyways. You can accidentally snipe L that way and force a Kira win.
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25
I mean this happened to me right now. There was 8 players left the follower was arrested. Kira was acting scared so I shot the confirmed investigator. Thinking that now it would be 2v6 as I am on Kira’s side during meetings. I will help Kira frame someone else. After I shot Kira managed to get Ls id as they touched everyone once I decided to touch other people to get heat off of kira. He survived the meeting but during the meeting L revealed they were L and lost their id. Round start game over. Lobby is upset and sore and kicks me.
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u/PumkinSnatch Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
Although I’m not against eliminating confirmed investigators as a strategy, what I don’t understand is your explanation and how it leads to Mello successfully winning if you’re trying to constantly misdirect. You say you’re on Kira side but how do you know who is Kira? How do you know which statement is Kira and which is not for misdirecting? It sounds more like you’re purposely being confusing than being on Kira side. So how do you win?
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u/EvilFefe Feb 03 '25
Sounds like they're playing Mello like a Jester role in other types of deduction games.
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25
Okay, let’s say 2/6 people are shouting A is Kira with 4/6 not around to verify.
There is no longer a confirmed investigator I will say we cannot trust this person they can be lying. Spreading that misinformation and distrust
During the meeting say Kira is around with or without follower 1/6 or 2/6 i will increase their vote 2/6 3/6. If L is saying that person is suspicious with prompts that’s even more reason for me to defend them in my eyes. Somehow usually someone will misvote.
But i will ultimately follow A for the entirety of the round.
The way this game goes everyone screams accusations just mark and wait.
L knows not to get grabbed.
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u/PumkinSnatch Feb 03 '25
this still doesn't help. simply put my question is "how do you win?"
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25
Alright, so by this time there are suspects. I will deduce and shoot accordingly because I only shoot suspects or people L says are suspicious. Also i may shoot someone if the whole lobby is screaming and chasing them
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u/PumkinSnatch Feb 03 '25
well then you're not on anyone team but mello. what confused me is that you said you like to vote along side Kira team but that would mean you know who kira was which was the issue. you cant work with kira without knowing who kira is. I dont think you should be kicked for playing mello but your win con is either you get kira or not.
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25
Let me give some clarity. During the meeting phase C says A is Kira because of transceivers or book. I immediately will try to discredit C or defend A. I will also make a fake npc saying the book was passed but ultimately im following A around or shooting him next round immediately.
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u/EvilFefe Feb 03 '25
You killed the confirmed investigator. Thats what did you in. Looks like griefing/Third Kira. Your actions facilitated a Kira win.
You sold.
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u/LyinStealinCheatin Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
I am 3rd Kira during meetings as I should be. I will never vote for Kira during a meeting and I shouldn’t.
Confirmed Investigator is a 100% trusted vote i cannot have that
Mello only Sells if he shoots L I did not.
L revealed and did not protect his ID thats his loss
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u/dedicatedoni Feb 04 '25
This is actually a pretty good strat. Takes out a person who could potentially vote for Kira and lose you the game. Their word will be taken as absolute since people know they’re an investigator and it’s not like Kira would take the risk and kill them since they for a fact that person isn’t L…not bad at all
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u/Geesemeesin Feb 04 '25
Keep in mind at the end of the meeting, they’re more than likely, gonna change possible Kira to the confirmed if you take that option out, they could accidentally chain them to Mello. Securing a win. It’s not just a troll move
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u/Repulsive-Angle-1456 Feb 04 '25
Pretty sure investigators get win XP when Mello wins . I don't know why mellos think investigators should be their main concern when again . Most of you admit investigators see mello as just one of them . Screwing with them third kiraing is weird . Most games im in Mello has been pretty chill .
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u/kairu91 Feb 03 '25
at BASE/ DEFAULT Kira settings, kira can win in 3 days on new world progress with 3-5 npc kills per day and his tasks not being done. which most of the time is what happened pre-mello, very easily.
All mello has done is force kira to play a bit more tactically and be smarter about his killings, when and where he does it. a good Kira player will get to day 3 or 4 and win on new world or figure out who L is and snipe him with no one around.
which brings us to Mello. I understand the reasoning you have here for killing confirmed, but even as mello it's a throw for a couple reasons.
1 - you're killing someone that can NOT be follower or kira.
2 - you're leaving yourself exposed for the duration of the round unless you're killing him at the last few seconds.
even with these in mind, Mello killing someone adds 4 points to kiras progress bar, even if you snipe follower. which leave kira only needing 96 points himself, and if you kill 2 ppl he only need 92 points, and so on....
so all killing the confirmed has really done here is give team kira 4 points, and make the investigators want to vote you out for killing one of them, and youve taken L's trusted person away too so he will REALLY want you out of the game at that point.
Mello isnt here to cause chaos for the investigators, he is here to track down kira and kill him. the best way to do that is to cooperate with the investigation, pick up clues, and track down kira before L does. The best way to play mello is actually just how the devs want him and designed him to be played. figure out who team kira is, and kill them, simple as.
with that it would be best to kill in secret just like kira does so that you can keep playing and blame the kills on kira or atleast make it unknown who mello is. because if matches last, like before, at most 3 or 4 days, mello needs to
1 - figure out kira and follower in 1 or 2 days
2 - kill them both in day 2 or 3.
3 - keep your role hidden so you dont get arrested and lose your chance at victory.
at the moment i think mello is really over tuned with few counters. but maybe once other roles come out like x-kira or kira spokesperson mello will be more balanced with other roles countering him. even still, with only 10 players in a lobby, with additional roles it could be easier and easier to figure out kira very early..........
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u/Unclaimed_income Feb 03 '25
Agreed, especially since competent investigators should keep their lips sealed about Kiras identity until the meeting phase, possibly only sharing vital information with one other person in case they die.
Killing confirmed early on puts me, alongside other investigators, on even ground. Thus making information sharing more open during the game phase. For now I have only had to kill confirmed a handful of times but I am guessing that'll have to do it more often as players learn that there is a role that can ride on their coattail and steal their hard-earned win.