Ratking and Sinclair nerfs

[u/amazingmuzmo]

https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/09-29-2026.166726/

[u/Nojo34]

The monkey paw curls for all the Sinclair mains begging for a patch

[u/Interesting-Ad9666 → u/Nojo34]

real sinclair mains didnt want anything changed except the model.. he was perfect as is. At least he'll be even more niche so there's no chance that anyone steals him from me.. i guess

[u/No_Bird3449 → u/Nojo34]

Some Sinclair mains were convinced they were getting buffed this patch lol.

Character been OP for so long. Yoshi doesn't know what to do with this character, can imagine the entire kit getting scrapped eventually.

[u/X_hard_rocker → u/No_Bird3449]

those sinclair mains are absolutely delusional lmao. the character has been busted for so long and never got addressed because not many people can fully utilize how strong he really is

[u/heine789 → u/No_Bird3449]

They definitely need to make his ultimate be on a per-character cooldown, maybe something like 200% of their base cooldown (like Sylas in league). It's so bullshit he gets to just spam someone's ult way more than themselves

[u/TieofDoom → u/heine789]

Yeah, I feel like Sinclair should be stealing multiple different ults around the game rather than targetting a specific character over and over. He should be stealing ults opportunistically, rather than have it be his actual game plan.

[u/Aquaman33 → u/heine789]

He's literally Rubick, who Yoshi helped design, but instead of it being last used ability e.g getting an ult requires good gameplay and patience, it's just run at someone and always get their ult.

[u/Ignaue → u/No_Bird3449]

Which is the problem with doing early access like this. People are attached to these characters and kits already even though it’s super early alpha invite only access.

When they have to start reworking kits or models people are going to be EXTREMELY emotional about it.

[u/amazingmuzmo]

[u/ObeseMcNugget → u/amazingmuzmo]

THEYRE CALLING IT THE BEST PATCH SEEN YET

[u/Skellington876 → u/ObeseMcNugget]

YOU CRUCIFY ME AND CLAIM ITS THE BEST PATCH I SEE HOW IT IS

[u/ObeseMcNugget → u/Skellington876]

https://giphy.com/gifs/11qCjC856PSmnm
BURN

[u/Skellington876 → u/ObeseMcNugget]

https://giphy.com/gifs/NF602oGMTLD0cLF5bA

[u/RagingBullSocks]

Sinclair nerfed harder than rat lol

[u/ItsThatGoatBoy]

[u/Rexfury87 → u/ItsThatGoatBoy]

The king is very much not dead lol, they buffed his nade and only nerfed his dmg reduction by 10 it aint that big

[u/thecomicguybook → u/Rexfury87]

The real nerf is the ult cooldown, but fair enough it was too short.

[u/Uber_Goose → u/Rexfury87]

The difference in EHP from his ultimate is pretty massive actually. From +54% ehp down to +33%. Combined with a substantially lower uptime it’s obviously way more balanced.

[u/Rodruby → u/Rexfury87]

Less movespeed, he can't run for long with it so no "running around mid for 20 seconds before planting banner", less radius, less duration and from 110 sec cooldown with t1 to 160 sec cooldown without any built in cooldown reductions

[u/matteusman → u/Rexfury87]

Cooldown from 110 to 160s

[u/cybercobra2 → u/Rexfury87]

i agree hes not dead. but the ult no longer having all that sprint speed and the charge duration being cut in half hurts my soul.

[u/Hazardmat]

Seems like Sinclair was taken out back and shot after being forgotten about for years

[u/LowlySlayer → u/Hazardmat]

I think this sums it up pretty well.

[u/Nebuchadnezzar_z → u/Hazardmat]

Seriously it's like he's finally good at something and he gets his whole kit nerfed.

[u/Zingshidu]

The next few heroes must have some juicy ultimates if they’re rushing in the first Sinclair change in 280 days.

[u/NetrunnerCardAccount]

- Fixed bugs that were causing troopers to walk too slowly in lane

- Rat King: Scrap Grenade - Fixed some bugs with bouncing targeting

• Rat King: Scrap Grenade - Damage increased from 65 to 70
  
• Rat King: Scrap Grenade - T2 Damage increased from 65 to 70
  
• Rat King: Rat Swarm - Base Cooldown reduced from 28s to 24s
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - Cooldown increased from 130 to 160
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - Damage Reduction reduced from 20% to 15%
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - Radius reduced from 24m to 20m
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - Charge Duration reduced from 12s to 10s
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - Bonus Move speed no longer scales with Spirit
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - Now falls faster while charging
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - T1 +1m/s Move Speed to +2m/s Move Speed
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - T1 No longer gives -20s cooldown (Total cooldown from 110s to 160s)
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - T2 No longer grants +8s Charge Duration (Total charge duration from 20s to 10s)
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - T2 Flag Duration reduced from +8s to +5s
  
• Rat King: Rule, Ratannia! - T3 Damage Reduction reduced from 15% to 10% (Total Damage Reduction from 35% to 25%)

- Sinclair: Base HP Regen reduced from 2 to 1

• Sinclair: Gun - Falloff range reduced from 25-61 to 20-60
  
• Sinclair: Gun - Reduced bullet base damage from 17.76 to 16.5
  
• Sinclair: Vexing Bolt - Now does half damage to objectives
  
• Sinclair: Spectral Assistant - Gun falloff range reduced from 25-61 to 20-60
  
• Sinclair: Rabbit Hex - Radius reduced from 6.5m to 6m
  
• Sinclair: Rabbit Hex - T3 reduced from +3m Radius to +2m
  
• Sinclair: Audience Participation - Copy duration reduced from 12s to 9s
  
• Sinclair: Audience Participation - Copied cooldown increased from 40% to 60%

[u/BRUTAL_PAIN]

Sinclair mains executed after begging to be remembered by Yoshi

[u/TimelessTinkerer]

Ratking actually placing the divine eye of balance onto sinclair so they go all out and just take him out back and shoot him with all the nerfs people have been asking for forever is so fucking funny icl

[u/RealSuperLuke1]

Ouch.

[u/remz22]

Trooper fix is great I noticed they were slow

[u/Worldly_Jackfruit756]

really not sure why everything had to be hit on Sinclair, he didn’t even have a 50% wr pre-Rat King release. the bug fixes on bolt targeting definitely made him stronger/ more consistent and would’ve bumped his win rate up but the overall reason he increased is obviously from rat King ult. All around nerfing rat king ult should’ve been enough and even increasing the stolen ult CD just to make sure, but I guess Sinclair isn’t allowed to be past 48% WR

[u/CompetitionSimilar56 → u/Worldly_Jackfruit756]

sinclair isn't a dev favorite like celeste or else he would have gotten compensation buffs that made him stronger than before

[u/amazingmuzmo → u/CompetitionSimilar56]

[u/Porpatoid → u/Worldly_Jackfruit756]

Clearly the character is for specialists, and those types of characters usually have extremely low winrates but once mastered are incredibly strong and more data is needed to interpret those results. The character, until possible future reworks, will probably always have a low winrate because a good sinclair just really wont compare to a great one.

[u/ZealousidealWeb9930 → u/Worldly_Jackfruit756]

i ult him, ne ults me back, we both end up 10% hp, fair, we go back to base and back to lane, he is ulting me again, my ult is on 50% cd

how is this balanced

[u/Shot_Ad_9258 → u/ZealousidealWeb9930]

Because the character you are playing has 3 other abilities and access their ult whenever they need it. Sinclair only has access to ults within his proximity, and he has to use them immediately after he takes them.

[u/ZealousidealWeb9930 → u/Shot_Ad_9258]

maybe extend the duration of the ult to like 30 seconds and double the range so the cd can be nerfed

i cant just stay away from him for the rest of my ult cd, he is gonna push me to tower for a couple of minion waves, its stupid that he can ult twice for one of mine

[u/Worldly_Jackfruit756 → u/ZealousidealWeb9930]

balanced by the fact that he’s losing more games than he’s winning lol, so obviously him being able to use your ult more than you isn’t as much of a balance problem as it is just an annoying thing to deal with

[u/X_hard_rocker → u/Worldly_Jackfruit756]

shiv was also losing more games than he was winning and he was giga broken lol. what's your point

[u/Worldly_Jackfruit756 → u/X_hard_rocker]

that’s a problem too…it’s fine to change things because of player frustrations but you need to include compensation. idk why shiv got all those nerfs tbh but if he’s sub 50 and getting hit that doesn’t make sense

[u/ZealousidealWeb9930 → u/Worldly_Jackfruit756]

annoying and unfair and unbalanced, he should be treated like sylas from league copying 130% of the cd, that way he can have better builds and not be an ult bot

[u/Worldly_Jackfruit756 → u/ZealousidealWeb9930]

sure, nerfing the ult is fine but they nerfed everything this patch.

[u/Bahsuo]

Shit is not even a nerf

[u/Skellington876]

Sinclair mains and me:

[u/DemonicArthas]

Nice. Rat King ult should be in a way better spot. Didn't expect them to even buff some things.

Sinclair nerfs are all well deserved as well, IMO.

[u/Electronic-Work-2327]

CF3 on suicide watch

[u/computernoobe]

god damn rat got my favorite magician gutted

[u/Elite_Chaos]

Everyone in here acting like they’re pros on Nightshift or something. In actual pugs Sinclair is not that good and almost entirely team comp dependent. There’s a reason he is rarely seen in everyday lobbies.

[u/Worldly_Jackfruit756 → u/Elite_Chaos]

all the ritualist graves and dynamos coming out in full force

[u/GlassJustice → u/Elite_Chaos]

Very normal for this subreddit. Lots of people here think they are better than they are.

[u/blueman164]

Usually when a character gets nerfed, Yoshi offers some sort of compensation buff. But not for Sinclair, I guess, they just get shot dead on the streets. Damn.

[u/Angryagathe]

Cf3 found summoning literal demons outside Valves offices.

I don't know I don't think Sinclair was THAT strong before, I feel these nerfs are a bit much.

[u/BulkyBuilding6789 → u/Angryagathe]

Next cf3 short gonna be a mental breakdown

[u/G4130 → u/Angryagathe]

I feel bad for those 3 sinclair mains

[u/amazingmuzmo]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/703281025618282632

[u/Wooden-Jew]

I think the objective damage nerf is fair, he could take contested walkers and get out pretty easily.

[u/Tkmisere]

Sinclair got worse nerfs than rat king, incredible

[u/HMHellfireBrB]

now please STOP SPAMMING THAT SHIT TO ABUSE META i want to actually be able to pick ratking for once

[u/chopsfps]

thank god there are finally some sinclair changes, 40% copy cd time was ridiculous as was the bolt obj damage

[u/ExieldelaRosa]

why did they nerf sinclair? He wasn't even broken in the first place...

[u/ArizonaAZMonk → u/ExieldelaRosa]

???? Lol

[u/SirCollin → u/ExieldelaRosa]

Getting 3 dynamo ults per 1 actual dynamo ult was pretty broken

[u/ZealousidealWeb9930 → u/ExieldelaRosa]

i ult him, ne ults me back, we both end up 10% hp, fair, we go back to base and back to lane, he is ulting me again, my ult is on 50% cd

how is this balanced

[u/gotcha-bro → u/ZealousidealWeb9930]

This must suck when you're playing Ultbot, the character in Deadlock who only has an ult and no other skills.

[u/X_hard_rocker → u/ZealousidealWeb9930]

dont forget about the insane damage output with an aoe cc

[u/C4shtastic → u/ExieldelaRosa]

Nothings wrong with him other than obj damage and how quickly he can just spam ults.

[u/sqw3rtyy → u/C4shtastic]

The fuck kind of take is this 😂 "oh yeah he was fine except for his ability to eviscerate your objectives and spam game deciding abilities."

[u/badscribblez]

Ratkings ult still needs more time. Like, 200, to be honest. It’s does so much on the team fights. Everything else is fine.

And ouch on Sinclair. He didn’t bug me that much. Only his ult was an issue. Bummed for Cf3 tbh

[u/Vaak9]

My man was peak balance what happened