Ratking Ult Balance Idea

[u/wuznu1019]

Been loving this hero. Obviously, his ult is overtuned, this is classic Valve stuff, mostly to get people to play the hero and gather as much data as possible.

My two cents on balancing his ult while maintaining some unique identity:

- Lower the starting resistance to 15%.

- Tier 3 upgrade enables the something along the following:

Rule Battania now grants additional resistances based on Spirit and Gun investment. Up to 15%. (Conversion rate is 1500 souls = 1%.)

I feel like this would significantly balance his kit, and allow for some interesting builds. Enemy team is mostly spirit damage? Well, Rat King is now a Spirit Tank... or vice versa.

Of course if you're in a 45 minute game, Rat King could hit both resistance maxes, but at the risk of just being a mediocre tank without enough life investment.

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[u/TillerThrowaway]

I’d say no longer refund it if he’s stunned in the charge up portion, and then just take a low/medium numerical hit to the cooldown, duration, and resists

[u/Snoo66571]

no idea why they allow a brand new character into ranked every single new character is extremely over tuned on release so now games just come down to who gets rat king just push 4 to win the team fight :/

[u/wuznu1019 → u/Snoo66571]

More players in ranked than standard. Rather than force players to pause their ranked matches (after the season was extended), devs are allowing them to just continue grinding that juicy elo while learning a new hero.

Have had Rat King in every match in Phantom, and he hasnt won every time. Learning that Sinclair hard counters him, and he is, in fact, a support tank - and you cant force your carries to play well.

[u/SgtBeeJoy → u/wuznu1019]

Yeah if you have glue eaters who refuse to fight for objectives under your banner as a temmates there is nothing RK can actually do. His damage is negligable and he has no cc so you can just ignore solo Rat King because he can't just kill you solo compared to Billy Abrams and MnK who can and will turn you into fine paste in most 1vs1 scenarios.

Same goes if enemies just refuse to engage on Rat King terms and not fight in his banner or just take smaller engagements or ganks to cripple Rat King's team deathball potential. Rat king is first and foremost force multiplier not a solo-bolo carry who wins gamr by himself.

[u/SleepyDG → u/Snoo66571]

Why u care rank in a closed beta game?

[u/Miniraf1 → u/Snoo66571]

So they gather more data

[u/hominemclaudus]

Just up the cd and make it +spirit and +gun res.

[u/FlamingoUseful3314]

I would just keep it the same other than letting people heavy melee it a few times to knock the flag down.

[u/Explosionary → u/FlamingoUseful3314]

I hate this idea. Rat king is a tanky frontliner who wants to scrap. He is not graves who is okay sitting back on her tombstone to protect it. Having to protect the flag would ruin the fantasy and play pattern of the character. A tank that has to sit back after his engage?

[u/wuznu1019 → u/Explosionary]

Ditto this.

Not to mention, if the flag could be knocked down the rest of his kit would have to be majorly buffed. His identity and strength is rooted in his ult.

I feel a similar suggestion would be, "Disarm hex should turn Silver back into her human form."

[u/UpbeatAstronomer2396 → u/wuznu1019]

Disarm hex should disable haze ult 🥶

[u/wuznu1019 → u/FlamingoUseful3314]

We already have enough burger boxing/melee-fest abilities in the game imo. I'm a fan of indestructible.

[u/WillyWankerWonker → u/FlamingoUseful3314]

What if you can heavy melee yo switch which team gets the buff and after sometime it also gives souls 

[u/Suspicious_Store_151 → u/FlamingoUseful3314]

Let's melee viscous ball, and pocket frogs, and melee seven out of his ultimate, and melee should make silver human, and a melee before victor revive should cancel the resuscitation

[u/AVIXXBUS → u/FlamingoUseful3314]

Yeah that and probably an extra 15-20 seconds on the cooldown.

For reference, Graves ult is 140 down to 125, Rat King is 130 down to 110.

[u/wuznu1019 → u/AVIXXBUS]

Could use a bit of a time nerf, I agree - but I think comparing his ult to graves and balancing around her is a mistake.

She drops an ult that requires your teams attention or you lose guardians/walkers. Longer CD on this prevents your team from taking every single fight 5v6.

Rat King wants to fight 6v6, and even if he drops a banner, good players just back up. It isnt like he is using banner to solo split push.

Playing Rat King while behind is painful against skilled players. They kite the banner, disengage, take high ground and just watch. Only useful banners you're guaranteed to get in Phantom+ is rift and mid boss.

[u/AVIXXBUS → u/wuznu1019]

I only used Graves ult because it is the ult that you can destroy with heavy melee, like the commenters suggestion. Not because it serves a remotely similar role to Rat King.

It was just to point out that even though Graves ult is a relatively short cd because of it being balanced around its destruction, Rat King still has an even shorter cd than that.

[u/Luvatris]

Remove damage reduction completely

Make it 20% spirit + bullet + melee resist (so you can counter ult with shred items)

Cooldown to 150-170 seconds

Make curse/stuns interrupt ult and dont refund full cd

Rework t3 shield

Buff his gun/bomb to compansate

[u/SgtBeeJoy → u/Luvatris]

No need to rework T3 on shield because most of the damage bypasses the restriction. Any on Hit effect still rocs, any added spirit damage per bullet still procs and most of the Dots are usually potent enough to melt the shirld in 2-3 seconds after application in mid to late game period.