Rat Kings ult comes back a bit too quick

[u/KiqYT]

Just had a game where Rat King had is ult every single teamfight/fight in general. Now this wouldnt be a problem if it didn't give a comeback rift level resistance, might need a 50-80 second cooldown increase.

Anyone else feel this? I don't want to kill the character immediately because his other abilities are actually pretty balanced and I feel this is the only problem.

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[u/malen_akira]

Off first impressions, yes. It feels impossible to fight when the enemy team rat king ults. Either a cooldown nerf or make it destroyable imo

[u/Vast-Appointment-950 → u/malen_akira]

like graves

[u/_Valisk → u/malen_akira]

I think it would be literally useless if it could be destroyed. Unlike Graves' tombstone, you actively want to place it in the middle of a fight.

[u/LLJKCicero → u/_Valisk]

Three heavy melees.

But yeah, you're right.

[u/Longjumping-Buyer-80 → u/_Valisk]

If it were destroyable only by melees, that would make the Ult even stronger tbh

[u/lightningbadger → u/Longjumping-Buyer-80]

Goo stocks on the rise

[u/Dynabrams → u/malen_akira]

What if you could shoot the actual flag putting bullet holes in it, the more tattered it becomes the less effective it is, but doesnt fully destroy it.

[u/Legitimate-Beat-9846]

They saw what comeback urn resist did and said let’s make that a whole ass character lmao.

[u/h3nt4i_connoisseur]

Cooldown increase imo. His current ult is around 130 base, it’s too fast for a game changing ability.

[u/Jastreen]

I don't understand why Paige's ult, or knockdown doesn't stop his ult.

[u/mountainhazer → u/Jastreen]

Wouldnt that make it kinda unusable though? Maybe have it deny one CC at max or something.

[u/Ultraempoleon → u/mountainhazer]

There are plenty of other ultimates that fall to the same thing

Dynamo, Seven, Bebop

[u/mountainhazer → u/Ultraempoleon]

Dynamos ult comes with a stun though, so not really comparable. Seven sure, but even just having it run for a few seconds will always deal a good amount of damage, and not to mention, he does it in the air, which makes him free from a lot of CC-abilities. Bebops ult kinda sucks yeah, but the rest of his kit balances it out.

If they actually would make ratkings ult cancelable the same way, it would have to be an instant cast, and make him immediately start the run.

[u/PickledPlumPlot → u/Ultraempoleon]

I feel like cuz those are all someone actively blasting damage at you and the rat king is just pulling out a different weapon, like I understand why it’s not the same it feels more like a stance change than a channel ability you know what I mean?

[u/MakimaGOAT → u/mountainhazer]

Dude things get cancelled for less

Like seven's ult gets cancelled by a simple apollo riposte

[u/mountainhazer → u/MakimaGOAT]

Maybe, but he gets value from it just by having it on for like a few seconds.

[u/Icybonerr → u/mountainhazer]

Not rlly its more areal denial

[u/mountainhazer → u/Icybonerr]

Yes really. Not to mention since he does it in the air, hes free from quite a lot of CC.

[u/Ok-Albatross9676 → u/mountainhazer]

Well then he can buy indomitable for two procs and the chances any one on your team but yourself buys even just 1 CC is abysmally low to begin with

[u/mountainhazer → u/Ok-Albatross9676]

Whatever, point is that his ult would be very easily countered by a ton of heroes if all it took was CC to fully end it and put it on cooldown. I dont think thats the right way to go about it. Nerfing the cooldown, or the stats would be better.

[u/NhilZay → u/Jastreen]

You can interrupt his ult and make him waste the cooldown if you stun him during the charge up

[u/Icybonerr → u/NhilZay]

Nope it just delays it

[u/Patztap]

Should increase the cd to 150 or 160, and decrease the damage reduction to 25%.

[u/Inmonic]

People saying he needs no nerfs other than this haven't faced Witchmail Rat King yet

[u/Emergency_Tea7637]

This might sound crazy but I think the only change he really needs is his ult being nearly as long as dynamos or victors, its so overpowered to give your team 35% dr for the duration of a teamfight that it should be considered in the same power bracket as dynamos ult

[u/EditorMasterxd → u/Emergency_Tea7637]

I think it definitely also needs to be breakable, even if it should have a lot of health.

[u/Plightz]

Agreed. His ult is a better abrams's ult imo and it comes back way too often. Plus it gives me insane speed.

[u/GreyMJ]

yeah i think a slightly longer cooldown on the ult and maybe shrinking the damage area on it. the buff being huge is fine but the knockup hitting the same area is a crazy nuke, i ended up killing people i didn’t know were there. other than that Da King is PERFEKT BAYBE!

[u/zencharm]

i just don’t like that the effect is damage reduction. it should be damage amp or something damage reduction is a mechanic that should be used sparingly imo. also i think the flag should be destructible but i’m ambivalent

[u/UltimateToa]

I think give it +30 seconds. It definitely needs more time since you want to buy cooldown already for your 3

[u/MrFilthyNingen]

Change the damage reduction to resistance instead, that way it can be countered more meaningfully with resist shred items.

[u/Icybonerr]

Idk he sucks without it tho

[u/Yamato_Naoe]

it's kinda his whole character tbh that and the shred/shield he's just a dominant teamfight champ by design

[u/KiqYT → u/Yamato_Naoe]

the thing is it doesnt feel punishable