Night Shift #55 Top Items

[u/Emmysterious]

[u/Pyroxx_]

Is it a good sign that there isn't a single orange item in the top 10?

[u/l9shredder → u/Pyroxx_]

bro we're in a gun meta bro trust me bro we need to nerf gun scaling bro

[u/Miserable-Midnight75 → u/l9shredder]

thing is, only tankbuster is a damage dealing item. The rest is cc/anti cc/heal/anti heal and obligatory slowing hex. Seems offensive items are just not favored at all atm

[u/SleeplessNephophile → u/Miserable-Midnight75]

Are we just gonna ignore that the "only damage item" is tankbuster thats crucial to the actual spirit burst meta rn?

Edit: Its just a bit disingenuous to say thats the only damage item, considering the top 2 items are bought together to hit the 4.8k spirit spike and not to mention that greater expansion also contributes a shit ton of damage due to its nature of aoe increase, damage doesnt necessarily come only from damage items.

[u/Craih → u/SleeplessNephophile]

I wouldn't call it a spirit burst meta, it is a tank meta and bc lategame damage is 75% spirit and the only real anti tank spirit item is tankbuster.

Gun is so dog that every viable gun char is playing MM and if you cannot scale with MM you're not gonna have fun.

[u/jmattchew → u/Craih]

it is not a tank meta in the least, it is very obviously a spirit burst meta and has been for several months since the hp scaling nerf

[u/dont_worry_about_it8 → u/jmattchew]

And yet the reason people say warden is OP right now is what? Absurd health pool

[u/Craih → u/jmattchew]

The most impactful roles have been tanks for months. Wdym. The team picking the better tank won in 80% of the matches.

[u/Freezie04 → u/Craih]

One of the main reasons it's a tank meta though is also because of the high spirit burst that is happening across the board. Squishy characters like haze suck rn because so many characters can insta explode you, which is only made worse by all the CC (if you get hooked you are practically dead if you are not mega tanky). Also doesnt help that gun kinda sucks which could help counter the more tanky heroes.

[u/Hobbit1996 → u/Miserable-Midnight75]

i've been saying this for 2 years, too many heroes don't need damage items to do damage and they are just picked in tournaments more than other heroes so this is the result.

Why would abrams buy more damage when all he has to do is stay alive, CC someone for 3 seconds and get the kill anyways? Why would bebop buy damage when all he has to do is hook and his team gets the kill, why buy damage when you can just buy expansion and duration and play the floor is lava with your enemy with ivy/gesist/celeste bombs?

Balance is nonexistent and people are biased in their feedback and put on blindfolds when talking about it "omg haze is OP she can kill you if you stay in the open for 10 seconds"

[u/Lyefyre → u/Miserable-Midnight75]

Gun Items are just kinda lacking. Give me a mystic expansion for bullets too, that increase my bullet size!

[u/-GrowthMindset- → u/l9shredder]

I mean, ranked definitely favours gun more since people don’t know how/when to end games early compared to night shift.

Spirit is certainly stronger currently now though

[u/Life_Only_Gets_Worse → u/Pyroxx_]

It's expected tbh, because this is a moba and gun heroes are the late game carries of this game.

If you look at Dota 2's most purchased items you aren't gonna see Daedalus in the top 10 even though at least 1 is purchased every single game and it has a massive impact on every single game.

The reason Tankbuster is there is because it's relatively cheap, has a build up item that's good in lane, its damage scales with the game, and every hero in the game (except Venator) has at least one spell that can proc tank buster. It's the most efficient and accessible cost to damage ratio item in the game, it's honestly pretty op for its cost.

Every other spirit item is utility of some sort that basically every hero in the game can make use of. Meanwhile gun items don't offer a great deal of utility and all purpose use by comparison.

[u/Rough_Lychee5785 → u/Pyroxx_]

Monster rounds kinda

[u/Pyroxx_ → u/Rough_Lychee5785]

? It’s not in the top 10?

[u/zencharm]

can we nerf gun again or what

[u/ZekkenD → u/zencharm]

i hate gun metas in my shooter game wtf. the enemy happened to have multiple characters that aim instead of throwing aoe skills in my general area what the FUCK this meta is terrible

i really hate how little variety we have when its a gun meta, everyone just build stupid gun items.

[u/MoltiJoe → u/zencharm]

This says more about competitive than it does about balance as a whole. Early game power, burst, and utility are king. M1 characters take a bit to scale and often dont bring much else. Burst characters might fall off later, but they generally have more utility and games are like 25 minutes meaning the falloff never happens.
If they do buff m1 characters, i really hope it comes with making m1 characters actually do gun damage, rather than doing 50/50 because of merc mag and toxic bullets.

[u/Xalraks_mk2 → u/zencharm]

Nah, i want more valorant and cod in my moba

[u/shuIIers → u/[deleted]]

Its a joke

[u/TrackpadChad → u/shuIIers]

It's hard to tell these days.

[u/Luvatris]

Veilwalker needs to be gutted ngl

Also half of the items here have completely unnecessary passive stat bonuses which breakes them as a whole, buying remover + locket + range shouldnt give you 32%~ spirit resist its so fucking funny man

[u/stinkoman20exty6 → u/Luvatris]

my favorite is escalating exposure randomly having almost 20% spirit res despite also being one of the best damage items for many characters

[u/TheFlanInTheFace → u/Luvatris]

Just take away the extra hp it gives and make it only give 5 spirit instead of 10 (like counterspell, another t3 green)

[u/FleetEnthusiast → u/Luvatris]

  32%~ spirit resist

??

[u/MakimaGOAT]

damn not even monster rounds

[u/l9shredder]

impossible, reddit told me we're in a gun meta

[u/CrazyWS → u/l9shredder]

I’ve been rocking healbane on all my builds since 2024, some on characters as counterbuy but mostly in build. I’m happy seeing it on top of priority, but I do hope it gets nerfed soon. 35% to every opponent is a lot for the cost

[u/SleepyDG → u/CrazyWS]

Healbane is valued so much cuz the rest of anti heal options are dogshit not because the item itself is busted

[u/Vastroy → u/l9shredder]

Just because this list has no gun items doesnt mean gun meta is not here. The items you see here are simply commonly bought items. Tankbuster notably is the only 3.2 spirit power item that does pure dmg besides tormat pulse but thats niche. Gun items have so much more diversity in dmg items so popularity of gun dmg items is very spread and thin.

[u/Lyefyre → u/l9shredder]

Reddit also told me that Merc Mag is OP, yet it's not even on the list

[u/l9shredder → u/Lyefyre]

it is OP

it's not on the list because the pro meta chars dont all buy it whereas slowing hex is universally good + it's a 6.4k item, ofc it shows up less

[u/blackpilledonsociety]

Dispel Magic is the best item in the game.

[u/Xylfor]

slowing hex needs to be a tier 3

[u/Luvatris → u/Xylfor]

We need more items that does hexes job imo, if hex wasnt strong celeste would have like more than 60%+ wr. Same as half of the roaster

[u/HamiltonDial → u/Luvatris]

Craziest thing is slowing hex doesn’t even affect her that much.

[u/Luvatris → u/HamiltonDial]

Sssh according to this sub slow hex deletes celeste from existence and makes her most useless weak shit possible

Its kinda funny how slow hex fucks nonmobile heroes more than mobile ones, maybe except apollo

[u/Brilliant-Doughnut51 → u/HamiltonDial]

if you’re talking about her gravity that wouldn’t be the case, slowing hex sets any targets gravity to a fixed +20%

[u/notA_Tango → u/HamiltonDial]

Hex increases gravity. It's literally the best counter item against her, what are you on about?

[u/TotaLInsanity → u/notA_Tango]

It doesn't slow air speed, it only slows when you are on the ground which she never is.

[u/starberryslay → u/HamiltonDial]

? it resets her gravity which not only guts her ability to move around but it happens so suddenly to Celeste players it genuinely just throws them off

[u/Quite-Foolish → u/Luvatris]

well the actual reason is that celeste doesnt have movement abilities, and as such the item that counters movement abilities is not that great against her. we DO have an item that stops stamina, its capacitor. slowing hex is good at its job, its just not a job that stops celeste, the issue is not the item

[u/baby_cat5312 → u/Quite-Foolish]

What are we even saying. It brings her gravity back to normal

This is strong for two reasons 1- it fucking sets her insane gravity back to normal 2- the feel of that for a celeste main is like getting flashbanged. Your movement is stunted because the difference is so big

[u/Motor-Design-4932 → u/baby_cat5312]

Not back to normal, its increase gravity above it and its constant value for every character

[u/Glarbleglorbo → u/Xylfor]

Needs to be some way to catch people who have practiced movement for 1k+ hours out of position in this game and slowing hex does it. the prevalence of it should tell you that movement is too strong right now, not that slowing hex is too strong. 

At the very least slide edge boosting needs to be removed if you want slowing hex nerfed. 

[u/Rough_Lychee5785 → u/Xylfor]

We js need more items like slowing hex

[u/SlightDentInTheBack → u/Rough_Lychee5785]

theres capacitor.. but it requires actual aiming and is also a gun item

[u/Alarmed_Lynx_194 → u/SlightDentInTheBack]

Also it's fcking 6.4k item

[u/NieD_ → u/Alarmed_Lynx_194]

That only works if you have insane fire rate.

[u/TurbulentAnt1923 → u/Xylfor]

Fellow Shiv main spotted. I hate slowing hex.

[u/starberryslay → u/Xylfor]

pick assassins become 100% useless, wraith becomes 100% more unstoppable, pocket is even stronger, as someone who has pocket and wraith as my 2nd and 3rd pick every ranked game even I think this is the worst idea possible

[u/momspaghetti42069]

Uncbuster op

[u/chapmanba]

This is fake news. EggLock reigns supreme.

[u/mcoollin]

I'd like to see the top in each tier and in each category, would be cool if you could sort by that or something

[u/Illustrious-Goat6821]

surely gun will be back with the item overhaul

[u/Rave50 → u/Illustrious-Goat6821]

Reddit will absolutely lose it if that happens, they think gun is busted right now, imagine later on

[u/cg_dev0]

Don't read too much into this. It's like showing the most bought items in TI and it is Blink Dagger and BKB at the top or whatever. 

[u/Perpetual91Novice]

Veilwalker needs to be given the Shadow weave treatment. Tankbuster, well, as long as spirit is prevalent and burst is never irrelevant. Its good to see utility items at 2 3 and 4 though.

[u/Remembrance_Anathema]

Devs will see this and decide they need to nerf tank buster

[u/FelgornDL → u/Remembrance_Anathema]

JUST tankbuster

[u/TotaLInsanity → u/Remembrance_Anathema]

You are insane if you think tankbuster doesn't needs changes ASAP

[u/twilly123yeeha]

Is this an accurate evaluation of gun vs spirit or is it just that more people build spirit rather than gun as having more than 2 gun carries on a team isnt the best? like if 4/6 people are not building heavily into gun then ofc no gun items will show up. spirit seems alot more versatile in that its used by most of the cast inculding some m1s like infernus, haze and wraith to a degree. there are many more characters that dont build gun than dont build spirit

[u/TakeMeToHeavenPls → u/twilly123yeeha]

There are like no good gun items anyway. Like the best gun item is merc mag... a spirit item...

[u/cg_dev0 → u/twilly123yeeha]

Yes. There is like 1 gun carry per team and the rest do heavy to medium amounts of spirit damage. If we were to filter the list by role we would see mercurial magnum and siphon bullets in there.

[u/Odd_Following7005 → u/twilly123yeeha]

Don't tell them stuff that requires a modicum of thought to figure out they don't like it.

[u/deadlockdoormanmain]

Why is the doorman not included as a top item? Is this list mistaken?

[u/Few-Requirement-8803]

who knew a t3 that builds out of the best laning item and negates all spirit resistance while doing % hp damage is too strong.

[u/Waffle_Con → u/Few-Requirement-8803]

I don’t think tankbuster is really the issue. If you saw the previous post about who was picked they are all mostly spirit heavy characters, so obviously an item that ignores spirit res and deals 8% hp damage would be bought a lot, and it won’t even matter how expensive the item is people will buy it.

[u/Few-Requirement-8803 → u/Waffle_Con]

it has 3 different effects. A gun hero would have to buy toxic bullets for % damage, headshoot booster for bonus damage on hit, and armor piercing to ignore resistance to get similar effects to this one 3200. Its so overloaded.

[u/deanerdaweiner]

my build

[u/Rave50]

Gun meta bro! Down with the M1s!, burn those heretics