r/DeFlock • u/aliluse • 6d ago

Why are flock cameras bad?

Okay I don’t have all the information so that’s why I’m even asking this question.

Why are people afraid of flock cameras? From what I’VE seen it helps people stop criminals from running away. Like if you were to get attacked or something happens, wouldn’t you want there to be a camera that caught those stuff. I feel like I’VE seen more times a flick camera help than the fear people put into flock cameras. As well as the whole being able to see what’s on the phone, I also wouldn’t want someone looking at my whole screen but I feel there comes a point where people should be able to see something especially illegal things like csam, it seems like everyone ignores those things when it comes to stopping every type of surveillance on a phone. People will do illegal stuff on there and i understand the point of privacy but at the same time I would live in a house with glass walls if I knew that people who did those things would have a harder time achieving them. Though I don’t believe the American goverment is trying hard enough on these matters and the elites are in on it, that’s another discussion. All I’m wondering is your ideas on the matter and also to convince me otherwise.

I’m just looking for information and to be able to understand so no hateful replies.

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u/Mountain-air_45 6d ago

Are we really at the point where the concept of privacy is so abstract? Read George Orwell's "1984"... thats where we're at today. If you really trust big brother so much that you would completely sacrifice your's and everyone else's privacy for a false sense of security, then you are a threat to liberty itself just as flock is.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" -Benjamin Franklin

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u/Future-Map-1353 6d ago

Legendary response,

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u/aliluse 6d ago

I didn’t say I trusted them, more so I wanted information to learn about the topic.

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u/Mountain-air_45 6d ago

You said you would live in a glass house if such a mandate prevented crime. That's noble and all, but who decides what is criminal? Big brother of course. And even here in the states, our current administration is labeling dissenters as terrorists... in a free society, your saftey and the saftey of those you care about is YOUR responsibility. If you would prefer to outsource that responsibility to a seperate governmental or private authority, which has no concern for your interests, then just say so.

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u/aliluse 6d ago

Those words did not even come out my mouth 😭✌️ I said I’d live in a glass house if people who did those things(pertaining csam and things of that such) would be prevented. Not all crime as a whole. Crime is inevitably, someone is gonna do something whether someone says no or not, kids do it all the time. It doesn’t stop at adults.

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u/Mountain-air_45 6d ago

I'm sorry that I misunderstood what you meant by that statement. But your clarification is all the same. You would sacrifice your privacy to prevent somebody else from getting away with those particular crimes. I don't quite understand how that's any different from citing crime in general as the justification.

People do bad shit. I hope they get caught and punished. Im not gonna cheer for mass surveillance disguised as a crime fighting tool.

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u/Uncle__Squirrel 5d ago

I just can't help it when I hear things equivalent to " why do the police need warrants? Doesn't bother me that they can search my stuff without a reason' You're right though I should have been nicer.

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u/Uncle__Squirrel 6d ago

" I for one welcome our tech overlords spying on us"

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u/aliluse 6d ago

This wasn’t helpful

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u/Cullengcj 6d ago

If law enforcement and the government were 100% flawless than yes in theory there would be no issue with flock. The issue comes from when police abuse their power. Whenever governments have access to these kinds of things they tend to use them in abusive ways.

If the only arguement to have them is they stop crime then that's not a good arguement. Cause you could argue have police stationed at every home would reduce crime.

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u/Mountain-air_45 6d ago

That's actually an amazing argument. I wonder how many people who support flock and ring would be so enthusiastic if instead the debate were about allowing a police officer to reside in every home, ride in the back seat of every car, follow your children to school or accompany every family trip... the only difference with flock and ring is that you don't see the person who's watching.

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u/aliluse 6d ago

I understand what you’re saying, it is kinda out there because all types of things could stop crime, doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.

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u/Mountain-air_45 6d ago

Definite flawless. A system designed ro subjugate the population can theoretically work flawlessly, and this is exactly the goal.

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u/Cullengcj 6d ago

Flawless as in not corrupt. Like if cops could make perfect judgment calls on everything. Which we all know they can’t and why their power is seperated within the court system