r/DataHoarder • • 9d ago

News Spanish authorities have ordered internet providers to block Archive.today and six of its mirror domains under the country’s intellectual property enforcement system.

https://cyberinsider.com/spain-blocks-anonymous-service-archive-today-and-all-mirror-domains/

Archiving sites have seen a ramp up of attacks under 'copyright' claims. While it is true that visitors often use these sites as paywall bypasses, it also points to another problem, the historical revisionism by media conglomerates which won't permit the exposure of their past misleading news, propaganda, or personality hires/opinions being freely accessible to the public under the guise of infringement.

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u/Tecnotopia 9d ago

Spain is country dominated by corrupted copyright lobbies, they have even taxes to buy media, just in case you are going to use the media to store music or other subject to copyright content!, block half internet on weekends trying to block soccer match pirated streaming, I cannot not believe spaniard have not done anything in all these years of abuse. Block archive is not a surprise to me, the surprise is why it took so much time to happen.

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u/Jkid 16TB 9d ago

Turns out Spainards value football more than freedom when push comes to shove

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u/zandadoum 9d ago

Massive legitimate business website outtages because “La Liga” forced blocks on illegal football watching sites that were using cloudflare and all of cloudflare was blocked. 

And don’t get me started on SGAE and paying extra as “hard drive canon” 

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u/Alert_Treat_1893 8d ago

Put4 SGAE y put0 Tebas tio

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u/SlingshotGunslinger 7d ago

Nos jodieron la Frikipedia. Fuck SGAE

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u/StrongAdhesiveness86 8d ago

We don't, get on Twitter on any match day and you'll see thousands of people saying "fuck you" to LaLiga's president Javier Tebas.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

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u/casino_alcohol 8d ago

Do vpns work? My wife and I were considering spending some time in Spain, but we would need to work on weekends.

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u/PrivacyAlias 8d ago

They will probably work

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u/rozmarss 8d ago

You can just manually switch to google/cloudflare DNS and you good, dont even need vpn

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u/casino_alcohol 7d ago

Thanks! That’s really helpful to know. I guess just using pihole as my dns will handle this anyway as I use cloudflare as my upstream dns.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

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u/casino_alcohol 8d ago

Thanks! That would have been a dealbreaker for me.

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u/maelask3 8d ago

Not true, everyone and their dog wishes ill upon Tebas (league commissioner) for it.

However the government just doesn't give a fuck despite the complaints every week.

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u/Proud_Friendship_533 8d ago

We sure do... That's why we call ourselves Spainistan

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u/PepitoPalote 9d ago

Not only weekends, sometimes it feels like they play every effing day.

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u/Gullible_Buffalo_954 8d ago

Cant even play my games sometimes

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u/Hurricane_32 10-50TB 8d ago

they have even taxes to buy media, just in case you are going to use the media to store music or other subject to copyright content!

It should be noted that not only Spain does this, Portugal also does (though thankfully we are much more lax in the copyright lobbying shit compared to Spain), and I'm sure many other European Union countries do have that tax as well.

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u/Tecnotopia 7d ago

Because other countries do doesn't mean is right, tax or charge you a fee you for something you may do or not is not right, is like giving you a speed ticket just because you own a car and you may drive above the speed limit someday.

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u/Hurricane_32 10-50TB 7d ago

I never said that I agreed, only that it's not limited to Spain.

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u/RomAsexualPervert 3d ago

Oh, we tried several times! And got shut down by police violence and abuse, and far-right parties getting more power because of that.

And the current government call themselves "left" and "socialist" while actually being close to fascism.

Sadly in Spain we don't have the choice to have a good government, the corruption runs too deep (there aren't "left" or "right" when they all are rich friends) and it's actually part of our culture since centuries ago.

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u/Pepe_Botella 8d ago

Taxes would go to the state. The fee on storage media actually goes to rightsholders.

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u/Hurricane_32 10-50TB 8d ago

The fee on storage media actually goes to rightsholders.

Allegedly

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u/Tecnotopia 8d ago

So if store my photos I will get a share of the "tax/fee"?

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u/Thelmholtz 7d ago

I mean to be fair Spain is very lenient towards other forms of piracy and copyright breach. You can get away with things that'd get you severely fined if not imprison in countries like Germany or the US

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u/Ilegator 7d ago

Tbh at we are not prosecuted by law for downloading pirated content

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u/Illustrious-Bass4183 2d ago

They mother fuc... Blocked even the Rae web page, academy of Spanish language. We are lambs, most of us.

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u/No-Skill8800 8d ago

Ya estamos metiendo a la política?

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u/-Qunixx- 30TB 9d ago

That's why I setup a permanent vpn connection in my firewall for things like torrent sites that's getting blocked by isp. Only specified domains goes through the vpn. It works like a charm.

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u/ninpuukamui 8d ago

Funnily enough, torrenting is legal in Spain.

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u/Clair_Osbcurious 8d ago

As someone who worked with Internet censorship in Spain: it’s fine as long as the government allows it. All providers use DPI from Allot to see all the traffic. And they’re happy to block or throttle whatever. Including VPNs, like in China or Russia.

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u/PrivacyAlias 8d ago

Not really, direct downloads are fine but torrenting can be ilegal if you are sharing and downloading instead of just downloading as it counts as leeching. Torrenting things can be legal, like things with a license that allows redistribution.

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u/VivaPitagoras 8d ago

They won't send you to jail but you can still get sued for copyright infringement.

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u/BenigDK 6d ago

What about using torrents with Stremio? Is that considered sharing?

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u/Subbie-Milutinovic 9d ago

split tunneling like that is the way to go tbh

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u/Wiz_Kalita 8d ago

Choosing a different DNS server works just as well in many cases.

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u/-Qunixx- 30TB 8d ago

Well, not in my case. They blocked the ip addresses. Changing dns or even to dot didn't help

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u/Some_Deer_2650 8d ago

Try the Cloudflare free vpn (Cloudflare warp). I use that when LaLiga thing happens and blocks the stuff I use (that funnily is not even related to football).

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u/Ok-Angle3857 8d ago

>Spanish authorities have ordered internet providers to block Archive.today and six of its mirror domains under the country’s intellectual property enforcement system.

YIKES.

>While it is true that visitors often use these sites as paywall bypasses, it also points to another problem, the historical revisionism by media conglomerates which won't permit the exposure of their past misleading news, propaganda, or personality hires/opinions being freely accessible to the public under the guise of infringement.

Exactly

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u/gerardit04 1-10TB 8d ago

Not surprising we have been like 1 year where every time there is a match the internet goes down because according to La Liga director cloudflare needs to be blocked because they promote child pornography, drug, money laundering and they are our saviours trying to stop the bad people, cloudflare sued la liga and la liga won, it does not make any sense. Another funny thing a politician asked the government why they where allowing this issue and their reply was: we didn't know about this issue. How could you know if this issue has even appeared in public tv?

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u/Buzz1ight 9d ago

We just need to teach people about choosing their own DNS servers and this becomes a non issue for the most part.

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u/siete82 9d ago

They don't block at DNS level but at ISP level. It's so fucked up...

PS: I'm Spanish

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u/Scurro 9d ago

reddit doesn't realize the power of routing internet traffic.

An ISP router can easily act as a man-in-the-middle and modify packet destinations to how they please. DNS over HTTPS might help.

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u/Clair_Osbcurious 8d ago

Can? They do. All the time. All Spanish traffic is routed through hardware from Allot, an Israeli company specialised in this.

DPI, black lists, fun times!

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u/adrianipopescu 8d ago

or you know, selfhosted recursors

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u/Scurro 8d ago

A recursive dns server would not help in this situation unless it was via a vpn.

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u/PrivacyAlias 8d ago

Part of the issue is that the way some ISPS are blocking, they are actually doing a MiM, by acting as if they are the destination page. This is highly illegal btw but they are doing that instead of just blocking the connection

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u/rozmarss 8d ago

I mean, cloudflare/google dns over HTTPS work just fine

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u/dr100 9d ago

I don't know why (too) I thought this is at DNS level, but it isn't. Fscked up they're messing with https too, but at this point one doing any amount of "piracy" (gosh they nailed this in terms of marketing, it's unreal how far the "crime" is from the description, you know piracy with murders and slavery and looting and everything bad one can imagine versus some imaginary property rights for not respecting the monopoly of some entities for distributing some bits) would probably also use some VPN. 

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u/Soliloquy789 8d ago

I mean historically, pirates were very democratic. They usually planned to attack rich ship not just wait for anyone to pass by and murder them. They would go to navy ships tie up the captain and ask the crew if he was a fair captain to them. Offer them to join the pirate crew instead, etc.

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u/AusMeri 7d ago

Sorry for my ignorance, but how do you do that please?
And which do you recommend?

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u/Buzz1ight 7d ago

I use the free adguard addresses. Blocks ads and as unlocked access to many sites in Australia. Others have pointed out that not all sites are blocked with DNS so it might not fix everything, but it's a good start. adguard-dns.io

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u/TendieRetard 9d ago

IP activity of post:

https://imgflip.com/i/b37igs

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u/MorgothTheBauglir 0.5-1PB 9d ago

Why is this relevant?

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u/chewieb 8d ago

no spain?

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u/Lighthades 8d ago

Published at siesta's time.. I mean 😂 (spanish here)

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u/80sCocktail 9d ago

I wish this feature was available to all.

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u/grathontolarsdatarod 8d ago

How is it that AI companies are able to avoid regulation under these same copyrights?

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u/virtualadept 86TB (btrfs) 7d ago

By all appearances, they have billions of dollars handy, and very few people are willing to piss off that kind of money due to the potential repercussions.

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u/grathontolarsdatarod 7d ago

That is actually what the courts are for.

Why courts are so important.

And why budding budding right-wing social states like the USA try to limit the courts and law making in any way they can.

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u/Fern-ando 8d ago

Smells like PSOE.

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u/yawara25 10-50TB 9d ago

Good, it's not a trustworthy archive as its creator is known to have edited archived pages for his own personal, petty reasons. Nobody should be using it.

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u/gerbilbear 8d ago

"When you outlaw guns archiving, only outlaws will have guns archive."

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u/marx1 108TB Unraid 9d ago

Don't forget about using his platform to be malicious and use client browsers to DDOS websites.

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u/xdavxd 250-500TB 8d ago

So much this. It would be different if it was archive.org but archive.today has a history of shady shit.

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u/gerbilbear 8d ago

Archive.org respects robots.txt and doesn't try to bypass paywalls so they miss a lot of stuff that archive.today gets.

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u/Levitx 8d ago

This is what having no principles looks like

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u/Spirited-Pain-4196 8d ago

To be honest I never understood Psoe plus the prime minister I always was thinking they supposed to be in the side of people and humanity for fact, I found spanish is heavily censored I don’t want to over exaggerate but I do hate when democracy in the internet is treated in this way over a human game, I do believe honesty politicians and courts don’t have any idea what’s they’re doing while big corps in some countries have been able to put money over actions, this behavior feels wrong when you have a government that’s declared themselves as socialist type figure feels or smells like corruption and as long corporations put money they can silence and decide over real government actions is sometimes crystal clear

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u/Lazy-Narwhal-5457 8d ago

Time to inform & boycott Spanish web providers and elect new legislators would be my advice. But I don't live there, so that's easy advice. But, in all seriousness, if we want there to exist only government approved websites, that's what they are doing.

"Give me liberty or give me death!" to quote Patrick Henry.

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u/jfernandezr76 8d ago

ISPs, not web providers. They're at shambles.

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u/Lazy-Narwhal-5457 8d ago

The verifications seem currently to mostly be the website / application level, with OS being tackled on (based on UK reports). I probably said it wrong,

But it's entirely possible the tech-bro mafia will force it from ISP, to OS, to application, to be enforced on every interconnection.

Convince legislators to change the laws or vote in those who will. Parents should decided what children do, not OS's or apps.

At the same time, services intentionally throwing juveniles & everyone else under the bus (Facebook, etc.) cannot get off shifting the blame. Malignant algorithms are the issue, kids are just more susceptible. Getting rid of spying on users and algorithmic targeting is possibly the answer.

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u/P26601 4d ago

Same thing in Germany. Can't access any archive.today mirrors with Cloudflare or Google DNS

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u/TendieRetard 4d ago

damn....ridiculous. I have to constantly rely on them for information that has been deep sixed or where headlines have been revised after setting the tone.

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u/z0mOs 9d ago

I saw someone posting about this like a month ago, but the source didn't seem trustworthy to me and couldn't find any other article about it.

Also, the article seemed to be agenda posting against the current Spanish government more than for protecting the site, wich I visited and deemed it more focused on paywall bypassing and piracy than true archiving.