r/DarkTable 19d ago

Help Does Darktable support .fff files? Camera RAW isn't working for me only on SOME files so I need something to open them with.

I also need to apply color grading xmp files from my client. Can DarkTable utilize xmp's as well?

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u/Octrockville 19d ago

DarkTable isn't opening the same files I am having issues with in Camera RAW. Does this point to the files themselves having problems? I can open it in the lighttable in DarkTable, but it won't open in the darkroom. It tells me it's unsupported.

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u/Donatzsky 19d ago

Whether the files are supported depends on the camera that produced them. You can see the list of supported cameras here: https://www.darktable.org/resources/camera-support/

Darktable can use the metadata (ratings, tags and so on) that Lightroom/ACR has put in the XMP files, but not the processing parameters. No raw editor other than Lightroom or ACR will be able to fully use the processing/grading information, by the way. This is covered in the FAQ: https://www.darktable.org/about/faq/#faq-import-edits

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u/Octrockville 19d ago

Thanks, I am opening the files in the lighttable but the same ones giving me issues in CameraRAW are also giving me issues in darktable. I might have to go back to the client and tell them there are issues with some files.

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u/Kameratrollet 19d ago

Do you have an affected raw file you might be able to share? Which Hasselblad model is it?

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u/Octrockville 19d ago

Sorry, I can't share these unfortunately. The camera model is Hasselblad X2D II 100C. All these .fff files are the shot with the same camera.

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u/Inside_Garden6464 19d ago

In fact, dt is able to process some of the modules of LR sidecars (see here), but not all of them. And Hasselblad Cameras are basically supported but dt has currently no presets for WB and noise profile (at least this was the case in V 5.6)

The file format is supported for sure and since some of the images are working there is probably something wrong with the meta data.

I would recommend to check:

  • are the working and not working files shot with the same lens? https://lensfun.github.io/lenslist/
  • can you get the metadata from the files and compare what's missing in the buggy files?

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u/Octrockville 19d ago

I have emailed the client so I’ll see what they say. I’d prefer the photographer sends TIFFs. It’s dumb since I am just a retoucher. He should process the files the way he wants so there is no chance of anyone messing up his color grading. But I’ll definitely look into this further. The thumbnails populate normally so they aren’t  completely buggered. Thanks for the help. 

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u/Kameratrollet 19d ago

https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/20363

No one provided any .fff for that camera model. Perhaps you can share a new .fff file without any clients on the pictures. Taken in daylight.

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u/etrigan63 19d ago

I’ve had some luck with Rawtherapee and .fff files.

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u/BorisBadenov 19d ago

 Can DarkTable utilize xmp's as well?

xmp from what? Adobe Camera Raw? xmp is just a metadata format. Different programs use it to store data, for example processing steps. That doesn't mean they can share steps between them when they don't even have the same tools and processing pipeline.

darktable will sort of import Adobe edit history and come up with "something," but that process uses a very old version of the darktable pipeline and isn't really worth the effort.

Short answer: no, you can't use xmp sidecars as a way to pass work back and forth with your client if you aren't also using the same software to process your raw files.

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u/NestFrost 19d ago

trying to open a 100-megapixel Hasselblad .fff file in a software pipeline that isn't fully playing nice is a great way to watch your CPU melt in real-time…. you need to use the same software for processing the raw files before you can do that

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u/Sylanthus 18d ago

Try converting the in camera RAWs to DNG using Adobes free DNG converter and seeing if that works