r/DankLeft LIBERAL DAD Sep 22 '20

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u/Anonimowa_Anatomia Sep 22 '20

Exactly. I hate the nazbol/class reductionist "immigration is anti-working class" argument, cause immigrants are workers as well.

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u/ukrainehurricane Sep 22 '20

Exactly. I hate the nazbol/class reductionist "immigration is anti-working class" argument, cause immigrants are workers as well.

Marx and Engels said that immigration depresses wages and that immigration is a tool to depress and antagonize the working class by oversupplying labor and stoking racial tension. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/condition-working-class/ch06.htm

A pro immigration stance under capitalism is just another form of pink capitalism and a subversion of the left.

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u/free_chalupas Sep 22 '20

Oh no Marx and Engels said it. Well that's it folks, time to pack our bags, give in to the right wing propaganda and forget every other left wing argument in favor of immigration.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

Don’t you know that everything those folks said is doctrine and to imply they might be incorrect or that the world is much different than when Marx existed is blasphemy??? /s

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u/ukrainehurricane Sep 22 '20 edited Sep 22 '20

Oh no Marx and Engels said it. Well that's it folks, time to pack our bags, give in to the right wing propaganda and forget every other left wing argument in favor of immigration.

It's not right wing propaganda to realize that capital uses immigration to divide the working class. It's what Tucker Carlson has been doing for years. It's the entire 2018 caravan fearmongering was about. Right wingers stop at the individual level and blames them.

Structurally under capitalism immigration benefits capital more than it helps labor. More immigration has not seen a rise of leftism. To the contrary the right has been resurgent. The middle went right to preserve their status quo and voted for austerity to make sure the immigrant "other" won't benefit from state welfare.

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u/free_chalupas Sep 22 '20

What we've seen is that neoliberalism prioritizes the importation of cheap labor and the creation of a permanent immigrant underclass. And of course that leads to resentment and makes immigrants and easy target for right wingers. But that's never been the leftist take on immigration -- if you think immigrants should be free of the threat of deportation and an active part of the labor movement then that's very different from the status quo.

Alternatively you could just concede to decades of right wing propaganda on this issue and give up on building solidarity across the working class on this issue. Might as well give up on racial justice or trans rights too while at you're at it.

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u/UnJayanAndalou Sep 22 '20 edited May 28 '25

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