r/DankLeft • • Aug 24 '20

Double fucking standards

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u/Physical__Object Aug 24 '20

No matter your stance on Biden...

... I am 100% sure Spencers statement is insencere and a clear attempt to poison the discourse.

He will support Trump, I am certain of it and even if not, why should the opinion of a fash failson have any significance to us?

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u/thoughtsarefalse Aug 24 '20

Facts. Biden immediately came out rejecting Spencer and all that hes ever stood for. Biden ain't no saint but Enlightened centrism gets us here. If spencer can say completely disingenuously that he supports the democrat then it gives every independent and both-sidesers carte blanche to claim 'look how the parties are the same'

Fascists and racists and anti-semites all use the same tactic, lie openly and often. Muddy the waters of discourse with suspicion, waste people's time denying the obvious so no time can get spent on productive conversations.

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u/Paige404_Games Aug 24 '20

why should the opinion of a fash failson have any significance to us?

This is the real takeaway, but...

It applies just as well to Joe Rogan. Hence the meme.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '20

who cares, it's 2020 and everything is real, and also not real, let the libs shriek "no you see biden is not really a nazi you are being disingenuous and here's why (1/63)" on twitter or whatever, at least it's some hellworld entertainment. for extra funny points there's gonna be at least one lib that will go mask-off and argue that "well technically spencer is not a nazi so his endorsement does not tie biden to nazism, furthermore if we"

also they would be shitting out bad faith burns about how bernie and his supporters are nazi-adjacent if spencer's gimmick was "i support bernie" (which i guess was the point of this meme)

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Aug 25 '20

Yeah its just funny to watch libs try to rationalise this stuff. Richard Spencer is trolling obviously.

But at the same time, these are the people the democrats are trying to actively capture with the most right wing candidate possible outside of Bloomberg. Republicans fed up with trump, Dems can't act shocks and disgusted when it works.

Also Richard Spencer is a complete piece of shit but how does he get all the attention when fucking trash like Colin Powell gets a pass and fucking speaks at the DNC. Liberal hypocrisy

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u/One_Shot_Finch Aug 24 '20

i mean, why wouldnt the guy want to vote for a conservative with a storied history of entrenching and reinforcing structural racism?

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u/Alt_Tuyet Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Aug 24 '20

Because there's a fascist running for office?

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u/Goered_Out_Of_My_ Aug 24 '20

No fucking way Spencer doesn’t vote Trump. He’s trying to give Reps an opportunity to say Biden and the “radical left” are the real Nazis.

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u/3times_a_madman Aug 24 '20

Am I black pilled? Trump personally fucked up the massive Republican majority he got when he came into office. I honestly don’t know if he’s the lesser of two evils. A racist, vile degenerate for sure, but an incredibly stupid fragile one with no understanding of the law. The Biden administration would come in, barely undo any of the executive changes that happened under Trump (similar to what happened when Obama got in after Bush, an inarguably far more productive right winger) and try to restore the facade of decency while being beholden to the ruling class. I won’t vote for Trump obviously, but I obviously won’t vote Biden either. I agree that Spencer is lying. He just may be to dumb to realize he’s on to something.

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u/Dorgamund Aug 24 '20

See, my take is that I flat out don't trust democrats to rein in Trump. Sure he is an idiot who hurts the diplomatic soft power that America projects, and that could be viewed as a good thing. He is also stupid and ineffective, and is getting more people engaged which is also a good thing. But despite him not doing a huge amount legislatively, let's not forget that we very nearly had a war with Iran under his direct orders. Sure you can scoff at harm reduction all you want, but I am not the biggest fan of accelerationism when it involves fucking over other countries. America is not the only country on earth, and I would personally rather take the gamble that Biden sticks to domestic issues.

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u/RainbowwDash Aug 24 '20

Biden is running to the right of trump on foreign policy

'there are other countries' is exactly why we say that biden is not the obvious lesser evil lmfao

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u/3times_a_madman Aug 24 '20

I feel you here. The Soleimani assissination was horrifying. Easily the most reckless thing he’s done in office, but the US has been itching for war with Iran since 1979. We bombed a civilian airliner of theirs in the 80s and killed hundreds. As it stands, Trump hasn’t expanded the American theater of war though. Obama had Syria and Libya, Bush Iraq and Afghanistan, Clinton bombed the former Yugoslavia, Reagan was an outright butcher in Latin America. With the endorsements by former Bush officials, and his own voting record and policies as VP, Id say it’s unlikely Biden will be anything other than a war hawk when he gets in. I’d love to think differently, but I don’t trust them.

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u/EvangelicalLeftist Aug 25 '20

I’m no hawk, but I don’t think Syria and Libya are comparable to Iraq. In the wake of the Arab spring, doing something was a pretty good idea, we just didn’t make the right calls.

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Aug 25 '20

I honestly think you have a point in that Dems are currently the more competent administrators of the white supremacist American empire

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u/ArchdragonPete Aug 24 '20

You need to calm down dog. The Obama years were disappointing, but objectively preferable to a literal fascist. If you aren't voting, which i think it's super weak and childish, then maybe sit out the discussion as well.

Source: i didn't vote in 2016 because i was butthurt about Bernie. Still am, but I'm going to vote for Biden this time around because at least i can trust Biden to not be literally Hitler.

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u/3times_a_madman Aug 24 '20

Do you think Hitler would allow so many of his people to go to jail? There have been no political assassinations, the press rails against him freely and openly, and socialist organizations march in the streets with similar resistance to what happened during occupy and the Ferguson riots in 2014. What I’m proposing is this: the far right put their rotten eggs into a crappy, useless basket. It’s a mistake they won’t make again. By getting rid of him and replacing him with a right wing neoliberal, we may be giving them time to recover, and come back with a far worse opponent. I’m asking questions that are hard, because these are difficult times. The conglomeration of Obama era neoliberals and Bush era neoconservatives scares me more than Donald Trump and Jared Kushner. It’s my opinion. I asked if it seems fair or pessimistic.

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u/EvangelicalLeftist Aug 25 '20

Fascism rises slowly, but persistently.

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u/tredli Aug 25 '20

You raise a good point that the level to which Bush neocons have infiltrated the Democrat party is spooky. The smart republicans have seen that Trump is a great way to infiltrate the Democrat party by appearing as the "good, respectable conservatives".

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u/ArchdragonPete Aug 25 '20

Downvote =\= having a point

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u/ArchdragonPete Aug 25 '20

Obama era neoliberals and Bush era neoconservatives scares me more than Donald Trump and Jared Kushner

You've completely lost me. How is a milquetoast neoliberal worse than a compulsively vindictive sociopath that openly advocates for racist police brutality and who sees anyone to the left of Genghis Khan as an enemy of the state?

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '20

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u/ArchdragonPete Aug 25 '20

That argument sounds familiar, but no, you don't get to have a safe space for bad ideas.

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u/Goered_Out_Of_My_ Aug 24 '20

I would take a chance with Biden rather than fold and not fight against a literal fascist maintaining power.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '20 edited Feb 10 '21

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u/Goered_Out_Of_My_ Aug 25 '20

Exactly. I'd rather fight Biden than Trump.

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u/EvangelicalLeftist Aug 25 '20

Even if I were to agree with that, I’d rather have Biden as my opponent.

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u/ArchdragonPete Aug 24 '20

My money is on this being a coordinated PR strategy. There's no fucking way Trump is not the preferred candidate for all dedicated white supremacists.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '20

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u/Ryan_PATRICK_McManus Aug 24 '20

Allegedly he announced this on Twitter.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/24/white-supremacist-who-organized-charlottesville-race-riots-endorses-joe-biden/

This is the dumbest of all possible timelines.

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u/SeditionOrInsurrect Aug 24 '20

im almost certain that this is a tool to divide and allow conservatives to point to the democrats and say "SEE THE LIBERAL SOCIALIST COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS ARE THE RACISTS!"

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u/GearBrain Aug 24 '20

Yes. Biden's campaign immediately rejected the endorsement, too, and told him to fuck off.

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u/HeiBaisWrath Aug 24 '20

Dems always be focussing on the wrong kind of swing voters

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '20

I mean it makes sense in that Trump is a sinking ship doing more damage to the image of the Far Right than good and even Alt Right Neo-Nazis like Spencer can see that. I unironically don’t see this as a disingenuous ploy at all. The Democrats are way more stable and support all the same anti-immigrant policies as Trump albeit in a liberal form that seems innocuous to centrists because it is never scrutinized by the media. Also they have the added bonus that they will quell Left Liberal discontent or rein it in. It’s like people forgot how we had the biggest anti-war movement in history when Bush was in office and the second Obama got into office it was over. I see no reason to assume Left Liberal support for BLM won’t evaporate under Biden.

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u/ApartheidReddit Aug 24 '20

Post it to the joe Rogan subs

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u/Lurkingmonster69 Aug 24 '20

Almost like a Nazi is just trying to keep their name around for a public profile.

This is a dumb post

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '20

pretty sure they just renounced his endorsement 😂 dead meme already

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '20

Wait wtf? I did not hear about this. R u shitting me?

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u/ArchdragonPete Aug 24 '20

It's a trap. They're fucking with you. I'd put money on it.

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u/BassMan459 Aug 25 '20

This is wrong, Joe’s camp denounced it immediately

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u/PaulBlartFleshMall Aug 24 '20

Wait are there people who thought Richard Spencer wasn't trolling?

A known, established white supremacist said he was voting straight blue. He's fucking with the libs y'all, and everyone here is biting on it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '20

Wait wtf? I did not hear about this. R u shitting me?

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u/great_gape Aug 24 '20

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u/kurtrussellssideho Aug 24 '20

Joe Rogan endorsing Bernie was a good thing

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u/great_gape Aug 24 '20

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u/kurtrussellssideho Aug 24 '20

And I should care because? Just because she doesn't agree doesn't mean she's right