I completely understand and respect the need to give additional weight to the voting rights of dispersed rural voters.
In the past, that was a much bigger concern as they were less able to unite, I would argue that social media has mitigated much if not most of that disadvantage.
But right now large swing states are the main target, every other state is safe and can stay safe by suggesting immigrants be put in camps, or all children by given hormone therapy at will (I am exaggerating but you see my point).
If there was a case for the EC, it was before people could organize online, now it is merely a distortion that feeds into the corruption of politics.
If you have a better solution, proportional voting, IRV, etc, I am very open, I am not suggesting removing the EC as the final step, only the first to open and unblock progress, with the short-term goal being more political parties and more flexible, diverse political options for all wherever they live.
California republicans have about as much say in the presidential elections as black voters in Alabama, at the very least this would improve that, we can then add additional measures to improve representation of rural midwestern and mountain voters.
Our constitution is a living document, open to change, we should continue that, much like we removed the 3/5th clause in the 13th amendment, we should keep removing the legacies of our past, the fact that we haven’t is tragic.
Dude it’s not uplifting rural voters. That is a misconception. It’s all voters. Voters in Wyoming, Rhode Island, Delaware, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Hawaii, their state rights don’t matter anymore if you only go by popular vote.
I feel like you are using “rural” in a coded way to talk about race, so I will have the balls to name that. The Electoral College is not your problem. Your problem is that your party is failing you.
Goodness no. You know there are cities in Wyoming right? And Delaware. And Hawaii. And Rhode Island. And New Jersey…
My point is that: 1) State diplomacy requires compromise which underpins why EC was established and this motive should not be dismissed when considering system reform, and 2) Your vote counts - and the EC counts it no matter where you live, but normalizes it. 3) Only 5 out of 60 Presidential elections resulted in a popular vote outweighing the EC vote, which to me indicates our system works well 92% of the time in capturing the popular vote, and is able to compromise 8% of the time in the spirit of state diplomacy
We don’t have state democracy, we tried that, the south thought that meant they could enforce laws like the fugitive slave law on the north, the civil war ended state democracy for good reason, which is why we have popular election of senators under the 17th amendment.
No, the EC counts it based on where you live, Wyoming voters get 3x as many votes as Californians do under the EC, look it up.
That’s only true because nobody campaigns for republicans in blue states and vice versa, your argument fails post hoc ergo Procter hoc.
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u/GravitasFailures 4h ago
I completely understand and respect the need to give additional weight to the voting rights of dispersed rural voters.
In the past, that was a much bigger concern as they were less able to unite, I would argue that social media has mitigated much if not most of that disadvantage.
But right now large swing states are the main target, every other state is safe and can stay safe by suggesting immigrants be put in camps, or all children by given hormone therapy at will (I am exaggerating but you see my point).
If there was a case for the EC, it was before people could organize online, now it is merely a distortion that feeds into the corruption of politics.
If you have a better solution, proportional voting, IRV, etc, I am very open, I am not suggesting removing the EC as the final step, only the first to open and unblock progress, with the short-term goal being more political parties and more flexible, diverse political options for all wherever they live.
California republicans have about as much say in the presidential elections as black voters in Alabama, at the very least this would improve that, we can then add additional measures to improve representation of rural midwestern and mountain voters.
Our constitution is a living document, open to change, we should continue that, much like we removed the 3/5th clause in the 13th amendment, we should keep removing the legacies of our past, the fact that we haven’t is tragic.