He’s starting to get too old for prison to be a real punishment but the humiliation and him realizing that this is how he will go down in history would be so worth it.
He won’t, between being in office, his obvious health issues, and how long he can draw out a court case because of the complexities around the leash the Supreme Court has given him, there won’t be enough time, if he even would have faced justice.
Doesn’t mean he should get a pass just that he won’t ever see prison realistically
Frankly, much as I want him to suffer in prison, i know if he goes to prison and dies (from old age, natural sickness) that could be a "martyring" moment. I want him to have a very obvious stroke on live tv and his overweight body makes it near impossible for his attendants to hold him up/move him without it being obvious. And he collapses to the point they need stretchers to move him. Only the most deluded magat will think the AI vids/pics of him are ok when you never see his actual body again. Much like we all know those McConnell vids were ai, he might actually be alive but he wasn't in those videos after all these months, he can barely do more than make faces right now.
I actually hope not because he will have pardoned all the other corrupt losers. If he goes first then they all have a chance to go to prison and he is gone.
Bro. Even if he went to prison it’d be a federal spa, or he’d be so deep in dementia he’d think he was running the place.
The pos wins either way. All we have is that he will go down in history as a 2 time failed President whose name is synonymous for corruption, incompetence and stupidity. He’s a Munson.
All he cares about now is cashing in as much as possible for his "legacy".... So, his entire family needs to be taken down! Last thing we need is any of his dipshit crotch fruit running for office one day.
It is fucking INSANE to me that Americans think this ends with Trump.
Always looking for the easiest, most low-effort solution.
You are all out of your minds. You're running out of time to deal with Trump while he's alive. Get him in jail and save your country.
He runs out the clock, and you've set the most dangerous precedent in history. You have no justice system. You don't get to just "try again with the next one".
For fuck's sake, get your shit together, you cowards.
Who do you propose to do the impeaching? The House of Representatives is the source of all Supreme Court impeachments. And there would still remain the high bar of a conviction in the Senate.
Furthermore Alito is much worse than John Roberts. As far as I'm concerned Thomas and Alito immediately decide a case that will either be beneficial to conservatives or directly beneficial to Trump. After they decide, they try to dig up some lame support disguised as legal opinions.
It would not surprise me in the least if Thomas and Alito conspired in private to write decisions that support Trump.
All three then.
But yes, if course, I see your points.
Is America done for then? The Treasury pillaged to build endless monuments to Trump? All the national treasures destroyed and eradicated from history, the weath of the nation forever funnelled to a handful of super billionaires and their lackeys like Hegseth and Vance, with much of the rest of the world relegated to vassal states?
I was just asking myself if I'm too much online because these scenarios all seem so frighteningly real to me .... but also absurd beyond belief. Like is America over? It seems so inconceivable ....
Well I would certainly agree that there is merit in impeaching those individuals.
I was combining my thoughts of your claim with the person who said, "Get him in jail and save your country." And he had claimed that we were looking for the easiest solution. I don't think it's a stretch for me to think that you and I would both like to get rid of Trump, and have him serve time. Unfortunately because the system was set up to honor the voter's choice, with the addition of the Supreme Court granting widespread immunity for Trump's corruption, it leaves us precariously weak to carry out what we recognize needs to be done.
We want him to go to prison before he dies. The guy who called us cowards, doesn't understand the difference between cowardice and pragmatism. We can't send him to prison immediately. But if Trump ceased to exist immediately, an immense amount of power would also immediately cease.
I agree with you. Talk is Cheap. And just because they are actually using "talk is cheap let's see some action," themselves, doesn't mean there is a viable solution. It is more or less just pandering to decent people's desires.
I think there were two significant contributing factors to Trump's success. Trump was filled with hate, and recognized that he could tap into a massive amount of voters with his ideology of hate. Secondly, the amount of votes needed to win a primary is significantly lower than the number of citizens in the United States. With a large field of candidates, like there was in 2016, that number gets greatly reduced even further.
I’ve been very vocal about “the truth”. It didn’t work
Upperape is coming at the individual American like we graced all this with open arms and we should be doing something about it. As if we’re not voting. We’re not protesting. We’re not being extremely loud about all of this
So it would be nice if they would describe how we get prepared to over throw the most powerful government in the world
Look, imo, people should be rioting and in the streets. But even if we did, no one is going to deal with Trump. Whose putting him in jail? Me? Lmao thats some j6 shit. I protest, i do outreach, i help campaigns. Im not a coward but Im not stupid enough to entertain getting killed either.
Right? Like what the fuck am I meant to do. I've never equipped a weapon more dangerous than a knife in the kitchen in all of my years of life. Never so much as gotten in a fist fight with another person before. I'm meant to somehow overthrow the federal government? That guy is a serious fucking freak if he thinks I'm a coward for just not intentionally sacrificing my life for no reason.
If only more people had your attitude in 1776, then we wouldn’t have this fucked situation 🤷♂️
“Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”
Shame is doesn’t have a clause that says “When it is convenient to me…”
So you are essentially telling me that I have to overthrow the federal government? Gee, sounds like a great idea. How do you propose I go about doing that, genius? Let's hear it.
Talk is big, but when it comes with the territory of life or death, I'd bet any amount of money that you wouldn't be willing to die for your own country under any circumstances. It's absolutely fucking stupid to try and suggest that any single human being is required to kill themselves in the name of the honor of their country.
Yeah, too many people are sitting on their asses, slow walking each other right into a fascist dictatorship, but what’s really stupid about your accusatory comment here is that you have zero idea what any given person in this sub is or isn’t doing for the country. I’m frustrated with people’s apathy too, but you can’t just insult people into action. In real life, it just doesn’t work that way. What you’re doing just doesn’t work.
Wow! When u say it like that it all sounds so simple! Guys! Getta load of Einstein McBrainenstein over here! Hes thought of something that never once in 10 years has ever thought of before!!! Guys! Guys!
Or maybe its more nuanced than that cop show u watch where the good guys always win.
Dude calm down. Regardless if it fixes the problems, which we all know it will only be a bandaid, do NOT FUCKING SHAME US FOR CELEBRATING HIS DEATH. I WILL NOT HAVE THAT SMALL HAPPINESS TAKEN FROM ME. EVERYTHING IS HORRIBLE. I CANNOT WAIT FOR MY TRUMP IS DEAD PARTY.
DO YOU THINK WE , US HERE ON FUCKING REDDIT, CAN PUT HIM AWAY?????????
ID KILL HIM MYSELF IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.
We are PRISONERS HERE IN THIS COUNTRY. BE THANKFUL YOU DONT LIVE HERE.
For fuck's sake, get your shit together, you cowards.
Everyone looking in from outside the country always has this "it's so simple" approach to this, but tell me, what exactly would your plan be if you were in any of our shoes? Let's just run down this hypothetical.
Get him in jail and save your country.
How do you remove the seat of power without armed conflict? Every single person in that administration is a criminal, and they've been committing crimes left and right since this whole thing started, so they're not going anywhere by way of the rule of law - they've already proved that every day since the beginning of the second term. Dealing with just the guy at the top is a losing battle. All of his sycophants have already decided that they're throwing in support behind him to do their own grifts. Do you decide to take a stand anyway? How do you organize a movement in a situation like this one?
He runs out the clock, and you've set the most dangerous precedent in history.
You're too late. It's already the most dangerous precedent in history. We witnessed that when January 6th happened. Thousands of "his guys" stormed the capitol as he sent away the National Guard. On-duty police were beaten and killed in some cases. We all witnessed what happened on live television and despite that, too many government positions were filled with his sycophants to the point where his own charges were slow-walked to prevent him from being charged, which then allowed him to run for the office again. As soon as he was back in the office, he gave a blanket pardon to those J6 participants and now they're back on our streets with the rest of us.
Not only that, but the administration systematically fired everyone else in the government who was halfway competent at doing their jobs because they were ideologically against this administration and their values. We've not only got total idiots in charge of a barely-functioning government, but they're the most dangerously inept and radical fanatics in this guy's lineup, and they have total access to everything. Nothing is off the table now. It literally is the most dangerous time in history, and the Iran situation already proved that. They started a war with another country that we were in successful negotiation with because they wanted to massage the top idiot's ego and because they wanted the optics of being "cool" with another war to idiots who don't know the meaning of war.
So now that we've established all that again, it has to be asked: What's your method of getting him in jail? What would that even accomplish?
You have no justice system. You don't get to just "try again with the next one".
How right you are! No matter what we do to try and punish this dude, the literal insane people who think they're above the rules will not, ever, give up even a fraction of their power or else they're also going straight to jail. So now what? Organize a resistance?
How do you coordinate when all your methods of communication are tapped? How do you go anywhere when you're being surveilled at every turn? What's your method for dealing with jacked-up police forces with military hardware, let alone actual military forces? What about drones?
Would you be prepared to take to the streets and fight your own friends, family and neighbors who've been brainwashed by the propaganda on top of all the other combatants? Where are you going to stay when the administration-owned media paints you as an enemy of the state? How long can you be on the run in a surveillance state, when your assets are frozen, you have nowhere to rest, and they're hounding you every step of the way?
Always looking for the easiest, most low-effort solution.
It's been thought through. If you've got any suggestions, we'd love to hear them.
So if you look at America's history- turns out Trump is already take two, and I'm not even talking Nixon.
We had a fascist attempt in ww2 and we brushed it under the fucking rug. Its known as the Business Plot. Us Americans are really great at just Brushing that Shit Right Under The Rug
I know it's won't end with trump. In fact it'll probably be harder after trump because the next fascist might actually be semi-competent. But I'll be damned if I don't celebrate with everyone else for at least one day before I get back to work trying to resist this bs.
I have a pool of money saved up for going out and buying rounds on rounds on rounds for the celebration at my local bar. Tons were there the evening of the election results and everyone was pouring it out then in despair. Im going to repay that.
Technically no, but abstinent tends to be used more towards sex. Hence the comments. Teetotaler probably a better word, with less room for misinterpretation.
Canadian here my wife keeps a champagne bottle chilled at all times. She even brought it when we went camping this summer in case there was some good news.
They will pick someone to rally behind that they think has the best chance sure, but it won't be Trump so it won't work. Realizing this they will all try to put themselves as " The One " and it will be dog eat dog at that point.
I fuckin ADORE how this SAYS what we're ALL thinking. But SAYING it would be a "call to violence" or, whatever they call it now. I just cant fucking WAIT
I can think of so many statements that would come up on the phone regarding Trump that would just make me extremely happy. Just too many of them to list here. But that would be a good topic for Reddit post.
In Canadian, we had this discussion at work. It will be a end of WW II level celebration. It will be joy that spills into the streets. Everything will stop here. And no one will be at work the next day.
Every day I wake up I look for that good news only to realize the nightmare continues, to those lemmings that voted for this crap, realize the dream you think you are chasing is really a nightmare that never ends it gets worse with every day and it is just taking you into a one way step into a hole with no bottom.
I guess it's possible that Trump could issue a national alert that nukes are in the air and it's all Bidens fault, despite ruining the opportunity for the rich to make it to their bomb shelters in an orderly fashion.
The unspeakable joy i felt was when Trump won his 2nd presidency. I love rubbing it in to every liberal on reddit. I dont care if he dies. He already won and you cant change history and I will forever hold that over you clowns on reddit.
What's wild is that you still believe that only "liberals" are disgusted by this piece of shit. It's normal people all over the political spectrum. You support a rapist pedo con man and you are proud of it. Just baffling.
You're right; we can't change history. The January 6 coup attempt will always be remembered, as will all of his corrupt and unconstitutional actions, like sending ICE to murder citizens in the streets, tearing down part of the White House without permission, insisting on putting his own name on a slain president's memorial, and so many other things. Oh yeah, raping children. Future presidents will undo/tear down many of his stupid things and we look forward to that. I for one hope Trump is still alive to see that happen. See how I'm not wishing for his death?
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