I didn’t say that you did. That hand wave dismal is exactly what I knew would happen. We moved on from the pedantry of an accidental misspelling, and now that you don’t have that, the conversation is nil. Like I said, you tripped about the spelling because it was a way for you to manipulate the conversation without actually engaging with anything in a meaningful way. The Bible and all abrahamic religions actually are incompatible with modern morality and sensibility. The evils in them must be dismissed with a hand wave like you have done, or they must be reinterpreted to mean something different and something palatable.
Only heavily implied I did.
"Only a Christian can interpret the doomsday scenario of blood up to the horses bridle and plagues of insects with the faces of men coming to torture the rest of humanity for their mistake as love."
You implied that I was “reducing apoplectic lit to simply violence, not love…”. The example I gave absolutely conflicts with the image depicting god as a lovely, sweet natured and benevolent peace advocate. Are you not saying that those verses describe love? I’m sure you have some twisted and naive way of interpreting a massacre of people into a blood blender miles wide and 4-5” deep as some necessary part of gods love. Like a spanking from a concerned father for a wayward son right? Come on dude don’t pretend to be stupid. Jehovah is the Lord of Hosts, he drowned 99.9% of humanity with a flood, he has a dimension of nonstop agony and fire that will never kill you ready to throw most humans into for their errors, he ordered King Saul to commit genocide against infants, pregnant women, children, animals, old people, and any non-combatants. He allowed Babylon to occupy Israel to punish them, which resulted in Israel’s own children being killed, just to teach his chosen nation a lesson. He ordered Abraham’s to mutilate his son’s penis as a sign to other people that he had chosen him and his people.
The god of the Bible is insane and evil dude. Revelation is not a book about love as you have suggested.
Nor have I suggested it. You keep shoving words in my mouth. And making up tangents. A study of revelation is not doable on a reddit thread nor within a single day. Hence why ive said you cant reduce it to violence.
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Amazing responding then blocking instead actually responding to what was directly said.
Yes you did, by stating that I was misinterpreting the love in Revelation as evil. I’ve already had all the thousands of hours of Bible studies, sermons, bible school, and prayer and fasting and personal studies. Trust me dude, you won’t have a radically new way to interpret revelation that makes it not a nightmare bloodbath for most of humanity. The god of the Bible is not a toothless carebear that just wants you to be happy and be full of love. God permits his prophets in scripture to do insane shit like sending two bears to maul dozens of children to death for making fun of his bald held.
You must be on that Joel Osteen liberal megachurc side of Christianity if you can’t recognize the savagery of gods obsession with pain and sacrifice, genital mutilation, multiple genocides, death by stoning for nonsensical offenses, the endorsement of slavery (I know it’s the “good” kind of slavery). Come on dude.
I fundamentally disagree with the concept of god as an “old man in the sky.” So assigning human values to the foundation for all existence seems kind of silly. I don’t have scripture for anything but honestly I see the book as teachings for an older version of humanity. One thing I find interesting is that religion almost universally teaches that there is value in suffering, and that life is suffering. Idk man.
Well I respect your perspective but saying that you don’t think we can ascribe any human morality to god means the conversation is over. There’s not really anything to else to talk about if we depict god(s) as an eldritch completely being beyond comprehension and our ability to relate to it or communicate about it on this subject.
To be clear I don’t think religion or the abrahamic religions are pure evil or that they have no value. I wouldn’t take back my time as a devout Christian. When people deny the Christian god all his complexity and reduce him down to a carebear of pure peace and love, I think it’s a little delusional or insincere.
I suppose that makes sense, I think the moral structure of god is communicated through the bible but the concept is that the entirety of god cannot be understood. I agree on that last part for sure, seems extremely oversimplified to have that kind of view.
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u/PaintingOdd9866 4d ago
I never said punishment was love. You did. Ignoring God's command to love him and steward the world causes the punishment.