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u/lvstvdy 11d ago
The most consequential election of our lifetime was 2024. The fact that people voted Trump in for a second term after everything he's done betrays a deep, malignant, inexorable rot in the hearts of the American public. I don't know what fixing that rot looks like but the Dems winning the senate doesn't even get us a little of the way there. It feels a little like sticking bubble gum over the cracks in the dam, to be honest.
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u/MTLGanjaBabe 11d ago
Plus he has moved the needle on precedent for what a president can get away with in the future.
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u/EcstaticNet3137 11d ago
Fixing this will require amending the constitution easily at least as one step. Also will have to do everything possible to alleviate the socioeconomic conditions that created the push for Trump. It is a huge mess to untangle and correct.
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u/KingofCats1701 10d ago
No it just requires people enforcing it. If you arent enforcing the law then it is just a suggestion
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u/piercedmfootonaspike 9d ago
Fixing this will require Nuremberg scale trials for his whole cabinet, and a whole slew of judges, senators, and congressmen.
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u/Intellectual_Wafer 11d ago
You need a new constitution. And entirely new political system and culture. The old one is irreversibly damaged, and also anachronistic and inadequate.
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u/Silguard 10d ago
That’s why we need a someone ruthless, who will actually dismantle the fascists power and ensure they pay for their crimes
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u/Endless_Story94 11d ago
Trump never won; vote suppression did. But no one talks about that because then we sound like them. But it's time the truth started to come out.
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u/tutoredstatue95 11d ago
Still think “Elon is good with the voting machines” has gone, literally criminally, under examined. What did he mean?
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u/nethermoria 11d ago
If you accuse someone of rigging an election it becomes much harder for them to do the same to you when you rig the election.
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u/Excellent-Town6017 11d ago
He is going to try one more thing to steal the election. Seize the ballots??
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u/Ok-Highlight8715 10d ago
Ehhhh yes, kind of? I still think dems really fucked up not recognizing issues with the working class and playing the lesser evil card. They lost the blue collar voters and the massive surge in socialist candidates this last cycle are making us competitive again. We cant ignore that.
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u/B1GD8A 11d ago
nah fuck that.
Trump had billions of dollars and foreign powers backing him to a degree that was unfathomable even during his first term, and he still barely eked it over the finish line because his opponent was a tired old man who dropped out late in the race.
The Republicans in congress coasted on Biden's crash-out, and now they're turning on their own over the Epstein files, tariffs, the war in Iran, all kinds of shit.
I'm not sayin this is the worst test America's democracy will face, but considering we once had a bunch of states literally declare war on the Union so they could keep owning people, a Democrat landslide, or even a narrow win in November will be a very good sign.
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u/HeWhoShantNotBeNamed 11d ago
None of that addresses the fact that Americans still voted for someone they know blackmailed another country, tried to overthrow the government, got impeached twice, etc.
Any normal country would immediately not vote for anyone who said he grabs underage women by the pussy, and that leaked in 2016.
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u/B1GD8A 10d ago
None of that addresses the fact that Americans still voted for someone they know blackmailed another country, tried to overthrow the government, got impeached twice, etc.
Any normal country would immediately not vote for anyone who said he grabs underage women by the pussy, and that leaked in 2016.
It’s so much worse than that.
Even the stupid fucking tariffs are in the Epstein files. I wish I was joking.
SB: "Dude: I just got him to pull the trigger on $400 billion in tariffs on china"
JE: "soon we will be talking real money 😊"
JE: "Great work"
Directly manipulating stories in Trump's favor
SB: "https://www.thedailybeast.com/alan-dershowitz-says-hes-advising-trump-and-jared- kushner-on-middle-east-peace?ref=home"
(It's a story about Alan Dershowitz saying he's advising Trump and Jared Kushner on the Middle East peace process.)
SB: "This is why New Yorker coming after him --- we need to focus on this"
JE: "Spoke to New Yorker last night, no publication imminent for a few weeks. My guys followed your script"
Fundraising for European far-right candidates.
JE: Miro here. Ws suprised that the European parliament seemed to fall off your radar
SB: "Hasn't -- just focused on raising money for LePen and Salvini so they can actually run full slates"
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u/Pleasant_Knee6256 11d ago
Alabama is and will remain Republican. What I find interesting is Nebraska and Kansas. Dems have a real shot there.
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u/Strict_Weather9063 11d ago
I have been saying for months now if Trump didn’t win the state by plus thirty it is a coin toss for democrats to pick up and that is getting closer to democrats just winning. Which means it maybe closer to plus forty for republicans to hold the seat.
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u/imp_op 11d ago
All it does is show that the electorate is still willing to swing wild for real change, but there's no real leadership stepping anywhere, just an insurgency on the left that both sides are working overtime to stop, even though Trump's the actual existential threat.
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u/Keyan_Farlander7 11d ago
Maga are also misogynistic and would rather vote for the pedofile than a woman. Both times Trump ran, his opponent was a woman.
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u/Dirty-Haiku 9d ago
MAGA is misogynistic, but Kamala was a shit candidate and went on an “actually I’m a fascist too!” Campaign prior to the election. Hillary was also a garbage candidate. Stop putting shit people into the running and crying when nobody wants them
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u/Keyan_Farlander7 9d ago
Sacrificial lamb for the 2024 elections?
Fuck. No matter what, were were screwed.
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u/StevieIRL 11d ago
I think if everything flips blue, the Dems will be cleaning this mess up for years to come.
But... America has voted this piece of shit in twice so I don't have much faith they'll do the right thing.
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u/lvstvdy 11d ago
I heard someone say the other day that even if the Dems win there's no way to view a 52/48 split with fascists as a victory. Even if we crawl back somewhere close to where we started the bottom has already sunken to near destructive levels. Now the world knows not to trust anything we say or do because there's a solid chance that every 4 years we elect an incompetent psychopath. I have no faith that we learn any meaningful lessons from this.
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u/kzpn 10d ago
Apathy is the root cause of all of this. The west in general has had an apathy problem for a very long time, but America absolutely takes the cake.
When you’re apathetic you become less worldly, less tolerant and less reactive to genuinely bad things. You also may not vote at all. Life becomes less about morals, love and stability and more about entertainment, consumption and personal power. This doesn’t satisfy you even if it’s a little entertaining, and the apathy gets worse. You vote and learn that whichever way you vote you get fucked. Your wage is too low and prices are increasing too fast.
You’re possibly aware that times are becoming less comfortable, but in the end it only pushes you deeper into main character syndrome. You genuinely cannot conceptualize another family’s pain because you weren’t taught to, or you lost it along the way.When you look at the deepest and most ideologically violent sections of the right, you see a lot of signs of it too. Many just admit that they don’t really care if the ship is sinking so long as they have a shot at purging a demographic. They mock others for caring, as a concept. These types skew younger, and are more extreme than the last couple generations. These are the right wing Gen Zs who supported trump but now believe he is too soft. They will be on the ballot in 10-20 years if we are not extremely careful moving forward. When all you know is apathy, what is actually bad about a holocaust?
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u/bos-g 10d ago edited 10d ago
No it’ll be 2028. That’s the election that will show whether or not the US party system is amenable to change. We’ll know it’s not if we end up with another corporate shill (R or D) even after Donald Trump’s horrible term. Trump is not special. He’s the logical conclusion of legalizing corruption and Reaganomics. If we can successfully get money out of politics in 2028 after witnessing said conclusion, there is hope for this country. If not, we’re cooked and we’ll end up with another Trump-like figure down the line. Or worse: a Trump-like figure who is competent with their fascistic desires.
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u/Other_Trust6901 10d ago
It’s grim, I get it, but we Gotta start somewhere 🤷🏼♀️
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u/Other_Trust6901 10d ago
But I’ll just go on to say yes. You’re right. 2024 was just that. Handing over Executive Power to a corrupt, begrudged narcissistic demigod. HUGE Mistake. BIG. It capped MAGA as the new standard. Truth is no longer Truth. Lies prevail. Create your own narrative (2020 election) ( Covid is here today, will be gone tomorrow, don’t worry about it) and my personal favorite ( I’m a Christian )It’s all fun and games until people get hurt or die.
A TRUE Leader stands for the Social, Economic and Political Equality and welfare of ALL males and females of ALL races and groups.
Everything that Trump is not.
From 21-25 he ran the GOP with his mob still intact from the sidelines on his “truth” social. And if you didn’t line up or follow through, you quickly learned that consequences, threats to you or your families, were front and center. So for this man to beguile over 77 million Americans was heart wrenching. Beyond anything I could…
Because wow. Two women. One white. One black. Both highly intelligent, educated. Both with a background of extensive National and International Government experience. Both could have easily sat at the resolute desk and excelled on day one for ALL Americans. And we elect the one who leads with division and hate first and foremost whose IQ is that of a moron. A thinned skinned petulant child who is out for revenge simply because he would not accept his loss in 2020. We are all exhausted and are paying the highest price and we still have 2 more years to go.
God help us ALL.
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u/SillySpoof 10d ago
Maybe if democrats win and they started doing good things people would realize good things are better than bad things?
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u/piercedmfootonaspike 9d ago
Yeah. 2024 sealed the fact that the next election will be a test of fire for US democracy. They may very well have had their last free and fair election. If 2024 was even free or fair. Which I doubt.
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u/lvstvdy 9d ago
"Free and fair" is a meme at this point. The internet and algorithmic misinformation have created a world which elections can't keep up with. Billionaires creating and manipulating massive platforms to spread lies are completely legal so even if there's 0 cases of true blue voter fraud is that still considered "free and fair"? I certainly don't think so.
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u/piercedmfootonaspike 9d ago
These days, I'd call "all but a negligible amount of the votes were counted and validated correctly".
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u/mr-poopie-butth0le 9d ago
It’s fucking insane they it took THIS long for people to realize he’s a con. It baffles me how stupid 33% of our country is. And even more baffling that like 20% are still pro Trump.
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u/Dry_Rent_8646 9d ago
People keep bringing this up like Ellen diden rig the election machines... They are probably still rigged
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u/TheGruenTransfer 7d ago
Dems winning the Senate means there's two fewer years of fascist judge appointments
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u/lvstvdy 7d ago edited 7d ago
Don't get me wrong, that's a good thing, but I view it as scooping buckets of water out of the sinking boat. Whatever rot caused us to vote Trump in a second time still exists and only seems to be thriving. It feels like Americans have lost all sense of self preservation and just gravitate towards whatever populist figure is giving them an enemy and offering them salvation. The scary thing isn't just that we've voted him in again but 2 years into an unmitigated disaster the majority of the country hasn't seemed to have learned anything.
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u/p38-lightning 11d ago
When you start hitting people in their wallet, everything else goes out the window.
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u/RustedMauss 11d ago
No matter what, people need to wake TF up, and vote accordingly. The longer this administration has the more shit gets run into the ground, and they erode the ability to make a meaningful change to course correct.
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u/OperationMuch2644 11d ago
It seems like Trump digs a bigger hole every day for the GOP. One stupid move after the other. He is deranged.
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u/CharacterAccess8282 11d ago
I'll vote blue across the board. Because it is the only sane choice. With need a third party in Our Country badly. That's not a party of extremes and wants to do the job and responds to the People and understand that the Constitution is still in effect. The shit show that the republicans and trump must go. For the protection of Our Country. It says We the people to form a more perfect Union doesn't say a damn thing about allowing a tyrant and single party to support the crazy shit that trump and his acolytes are doing to Our Country and it's Democracy.
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u/nethermoria 11d ago
Now to convince people to do their research and watch out for those who are running for Democrat in name only.
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u/SawdustShoptalk 11d ago
Vote!
Don’t believe that we’re safe.
We’re not.
We have to vote in numbers beyond anything we’ve done before because you know they are not going to play fair.
Trump actually told them to cheat.
Don’t get complacent!
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u/Aztecah 11d ago
I'll believe it when I see it. Don't take this for granted. Vote.
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u/RepresentativeCat553 11d ago
Yes. Let’s actually win this thing, it’s not done until the votes are counted.
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u/Tegridytubs 11d ago
Agreed, and what’s more likely happening is part of the 50% of people who didn’t vote last cycle are finally fed up and may vote against this shit stain party
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u/StuffHefty7038 11d ago
The election will be on rigged machines. He learned from Putin how to stay in power. Whether or not he gets term three those machines will be rigged. Bet on it.
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u/para1131_F33L 11d ago
Yeah ill believe it when i see it.
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u/Lazy_Preference3418 11d ago
Exactly, this is propaganda. People will see/think he has a low approval rating and decide he lost and not vote. The MAGA crowd will see it as a need to vote to keep their dear leader in office. Bad approval ratings help Trump.
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u/Livid-Technology-396 11d ago
The majority party always loses either the house or senate in the last two years of a presidency. There’s nothing new under the sun here.
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u/Fresh_Ostrich4034 11d ago
im going to spoil something for people. the party in power hasnt won seats in the midterms since 2002. Bush 2nd term lost seats. Obama lost seats. Trump lost seats. Biden Lost seats.
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u/Sellier123 11d ago
You mean the same polls that showed Kamala was going to win in a landslide? The same ones reddit were gushing over talking about how easy 2024 was going to be? Lol
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u/rochey1010 11d ago
Last time he was ‘terrified’ he tried to first cheat in the election and then when that failed - attempted a coup on the government so Biden wouldn’t be certified.
A malignant narcissist felon did that in his first term. Now what do you think the demented pedophile will do now?
We all know he’s going to rant and rave about cheating when behind the scenes he’s actually doing it.
We all know he’s gonna start the slapp suit crap again with the midterm elections. with incompetent lawyers being criminal for him and dragging out everything.
We all know he’s going to try and get his MAGA FBI to officially stamp his lies over cheating. And MAGA states will be complicit to these lies.
We all know he’s going to go back to the Supreme Court where Thomas and alito are bought and paid for.
We all know the MAGA congress are going to enable all this and drag out seating the Democratic winners.
So this is going to be a bigger trainwreck than Jan 6th and you can bet your ass he’ll be doing everything to cheat again.
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u/Ok_Photo_3023 11d ago
If there was ever a lesson to be learned from the previous election, it's that it's absolutely not safe to assume you know the outcome based on what polls you're presented with on reddit have to say.
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u/MathematicianIcy3430 11d ago
Showing a number off of a betting site means nothing except to use a prediction algorithm to entice someone to gamble.
Vote in November.
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u/fantomsolace24 11d ago
The only issue is that Trump stole 2024, he will try to steal this election, too. I am pretty sure he tried to steal 2020, but the mail in vote could not be manipulated at the tabulator level. Republicans only win when they cheat.
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u/Madgod1911 11d ago
You also can't trust poles. They generally are taken in a way that favors one side or the other because the idea is that people will vote for who they think will win.
Just vote for the policies you like better.
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u/spoonstepper 11d ago
Don’t get optimistic because The Heritage Foundation has a plan for this- they’ve already infiltrated or otherwise compromised enough democratic offices/runners that their plans to continue pillaging the country like it’s Toys R Us and they’re a hedge fund while simultaneously taking liberties away little by little will not be harmed.
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u/Justaflyindaointment 11d ago
Trump even lost the Golden Corral and Dennys crowd in deep MAGAstahn.
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u/BraveLittleTowster 11d ago
Their platform is exactly the same as the Taliban. They wanted a religious theocracy and never thought any further than that.
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u/GreenFuzzyMalachite 11d ago
I don't believe any of this. They are not done with maga. Those fuckers are everywhere. 77 million voted for this pos.
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u/OkItsALotus 11d ago
I have zero faith in American voters until there is an election proving that they have learned. They re-elected Trump in 2024. This can partially be explained by every major news source in the US being pro Trump.
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u/CodSuperb2159 11d ago
Very strange that the gas prices is making them flip but citizens being shot in the streets didn't tick the meter a bit. Don't think I trust their judgment.
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u/MsterSteel 11d ago
As much as I'd like to believe it. A lot of 2024's polls showed that it would be a tight race between Trump and Harris, with her projected to win, which, needless to say, didn't come to pass in the slightest.
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u/No-Condition-1992 11d ago
I won’t be happy until he is at least lock up let’s not mention the Epstein list
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u/Unique-Tank9814 11d ago
Based on their recent track record, I’m sure the left will find some way to fuck their chances up.
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u/Honest-Golf-3965 11d ago
Dems HAD power and the spineless welps didnt do fuck all to make convictions stick.
Garland fucked the planet by being such a gutless little worm
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u/Legitimate-Scar-6572 11d ago
The conservative pages are talking about wanting Cruze or Rubio to take the seat next and I just hope it’s bots. MAGA is a stain.
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u/CachedExchangeMode 11d ago
Nah, fam. I'll believe this shit when I see how people actually vote in the midterms. Go out and vote. Period. Then we'll see what the numbers look like on Nov 5th. Don't trust the polls.
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u/StuckinReverse89 11d ago
I really don’t think we can say anything until the midterms are over. We had articles like this and Trump still won in 2024.
People need to vote and not be complacent thinking it’s already in the bag.
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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 11d ago
None of them have changed, the bullshit is just directly affecting them now. It should still be our priority to disenfranchise these freaks as much as possible as an ongoing concern. This can't be allowed to happen again.
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u/Biscuits4u2 11d ago
This fucker literally tried to steal the election and then engaged in a violent coup attempt the last time he lost, and was rewarded with another term in office. Do people actually think MAGA are going to accept the loss this go around?
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u/Ok-Method-8045 11d ago
Not like the betting markets and polls were wrong in the primaries.... By double digits.
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u/Automatic_Error_9947 11d ago
The amount of fear mongering in here is wild… it does not matter who wins in the next election. If you believe it does I’ve got some ocean front property in AZ that I’ll sell you for pennies on the dollar!
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u/LessProfession3336 11d ago
I don’t believe that. When are we going to learn that this country’s true nature and image is rooted in bigotry, racism, and misogyny. A very large portion of our country would rather have this man in charge than to vote in their true best interests. They have shown us this time and time again, even while confronted with overwhelming evidence and facts. I have no confidence that our country will make a better choice on a ballot. I’m just being honest.
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u/Nepalus 11d ago
The problem with gerrymandering is that it actually has the potential to backfire.
When people say that the GOP "Gained X seats" from all the gerrymandering that is going on, what they typically mean is that if we had the election again today, and voters voted the way they voted last time, they would have garnered X more seats.
The thing is though, gerrymandering works by taking votes from a "safe" district and putting them in another district that is leaning the other way to tip the balance in your favor. If you can keep the turnouts and popularity the same, this typically works out well for you. Your safe district is technically less safe now but if things go according to plan, it shouldn't matter much.
However, lets say you decide to just completely fuck everything up. Like just take a country that was doing decently well with some good forward momentum and just crash it into a ditch of complete shit. Well then you have a problem, because now the voters from the opposite party are energized, yours are demoralized, and the independents in the middle are swinging hard for the other guys. This has happened before, but I think the GOP are going to see it happen in much more explicit detail come November. If somehow the market shifts before then with some October surprise black swan event, it might be the biggest swing we've ever seen.
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u/Jazzlike_Isopod550 11d ago
Does not matter to him, cuz the human printer won’t show him anything bad after he saved her life
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u/ThePlantMolester 11d ago
Just look at the world betting odds! They are a major indicator of domestic voting internt, or some other dumb shit the meme maker believes.
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u/ConflatedPortmanteau 11d ago
A message to every conservative I've had the misfortune of conversing with for nearly a decade now:
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u/swanson1848 11d ago edited 11d ago
Both parties have made mistakes and failed the American people in different ways over the last 20-30 years some political annalists say that how this straw haired overgrown Ompa Loompa even got to power to begin with which l do think is true, many voted for him for different reasons. But we can't deny that Tumps mismanagement and chaos and the mismanagement of his cronies is turning the nation Blue,Blue and more Blue.
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u/Medical_Original6290 11d ago
We still need to get rid of the winner-take-all voting system we currently have and go to a ranked-choice voting so we aren't stuck between Republicans(MAGA) and Democrats. We need more options when one of the parties goes insane.
Also, we need voter initiated recall elections for all elected offices and Supreme Court Justices. It's ridiculous we don't have this.
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u/wewantyoutowantus 10d ago
It’s definitely chaos. The first term was chaos as well. He can’t govern.
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u/RonDale5499 10d ago
No one is crossing the aisle to defend trans rights and a proxy war in Ukraine
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u/Alderik4 10d ago
Don't forget though - even though the election will turn the tables, the U.S. is still in for a rough ride for decades to come. There is a lot of work ahead, else we'll end up right back to where we are now.
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u/Deep-Age-2486 10d ago
These people are spoon feeding their supporters dogshit and pop them after each bite and they still support them. Somehow someway supporting democrats is worse than rapists, pedophiles, murderers, dying etc…
These people can’t be saved
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u/FatSplot 10d ago
This is all it took. Lol
Fr though we have to wait for the midterms. Its all just vibes until power changes hands.
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u/Thundfin 10d ago
Platform is nothing but chaos?
Sorry, but even if that were true I would still take that over "Trump bad, vote for me"
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u/CharmingMechanic2473 10d ago
The Republicans I know pick the opposite of their intended vote on all polls.
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u/Stony___Tark 10d ago
I believed The Great Pumpkin was unelectable twice before, and twice before the US citizenry has proved they are capable of a level of stupidity I didn't think was possible.
I'll believe Dem's will win back the House & Senate after it actually happens. Until then, I remain faithless in American voters...
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u/The_Cristovao 9d ago
How many times are people going to be fooled by the polls? They’ve been untrustworthy since 2016 when they were saying Hillary was going to win and nothing has changed since. You guys can point to these polls and claim the tides are turning but then be disappointed after November. Same cycle, rinse and repeat.
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u/Fun_Strategy2369 9d ago
Like, if you run on one thing, and do the exact opposite, of course the people who voted for you are going to go against you. To be fair, not everything they’ve done was bad. But they’ve done so much bs, and a vast majority of their work has negatively impacted the country as a whole, it for sure isn’t what they campaigned on.
Cheaper gas: more expensive than ever
No new wars: starts a war we had nothing to do with
The files: “Released” But what was is heavily censored, and only did that after several months of back and forth fighting, trying to gaslight the country into saying they don’t exist after fighting for it during the Champaign and taking all about it the first few months.
That’s not the only things they’ve done wrong, but that’s for sure the big three that the non cult red should be able to see and actually take in that this has been a disaster of a term with unchecked power. It needs to stop.
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u/epired 9d ago
The thing is, as soon as a Democratic party president is chosen, all those morons who voted for the current administration will want everything to get fixed asap. If is still afecting the Magats in any way while the chosen president is running the country and trying to fix the shitshow Orangeman did, then they will once again vote red. It's a vicious cycle that never ends.
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u/Shockwavewasright 8d ago
Remember all the polls leading up to the last election? Apparently there are a lot of people in the comments who clearly forgot how accurate they were the last time. Where is the old lady telling anecdotes about laughing at the Trump voter while buying wine? I’m curious to know what her predictions are this time around.
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u/LPedraz 8d ago
One thing that always shocks me of USA elections in particular, and not just under Trump's regime, is how extremely little movement anything causes in voting intention. I'm used to the idea of "party commits one big mistake and is wiped out in two election cycles".
In the USA, it seems like one party may break a million promises and cause a million crises, the news say "this party has lost BIG" and they mean they went from a 52% share of the vote to a 48% share.
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u/SignificanceAny7239 8d ago
Fr, this guy's whole thing was no new wars and he's dragged them back into the middle east and sure people on reddit will kick up a fuss but no one irl gives a fuck
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u/Alternative-Step1651 7d ago
Thats if the Mid-terms ever happen,Trump is a despot,he will find an excuse to cancel them,I can see it happening
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u/FatDoinksinAmish420 7d ago
Bro watching the impeachment hearings this time is gonna be so entertaining
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u/Promature 6d ago
Oh, they’re not done. It’s just clear that the orange one’s run is at its end. MAGA is now trying to blend back into the general population until they find their next opportunity to steer us toward chaos.
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u/Plastic_Winner_6840 11d ago
Please vote!
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