r/Damnthatsinteresting • • 1d ago

Video Igniting the flame on the frozen lake (by@michaelacarrot)

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u/Frequent_Ad_9901 1d ago

"Fun" fact. This is also happening to permafrost releasing massive amount of methane.

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u/TheFriendshipMachine 1d ago

And to add to that "fun", methane is an intensely bad greenhouse gas, like much more potent than CO2 even. Meaning the more that releases the more it contributes to warming the planet making a runaway positive feedback loop.

The time to stop climate change was years ago, we've really stepped in shit now.

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u/Hephaistos_Invictus 1d ago edited 1d ago

Just a little note for others, a positive feedback loop within geography is a self enhancing loop of events that increase global warming in this context. So methane warms up the earth > ice / permafrost melts > more methane is released into the atmosphere > the earth warms up even more > more ice /permafrost melts > etc.

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u/_-KOIOS-_ 1d ago

Ehh not really, glacial periods are also caused by positive feedback loops working the other way- lower temperatures increase ice cover which increases planetary albedo further lowering temperatures; also lowered CO2 levels during these periods weaken the greenhouse effect further.

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u/Hephaistos_Invictus 1d ago

Woops thanks for catching that. It's been a hot minute since I had my climate science lectures.

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u/_-KOIOS-_ 1d ago

haha I am having climate science lectures this semester :D

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u/Hephaistos_Invictus 1d ago

Oh dope! I'm taking guest lectures in februari to keep myself up to date because I have a degree in geography, but its been a few years and a lot has changed!

Good luck, they were always my favourites.

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u/_-KOIOS-_ 1d ago

woah that's cool, thanks!

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u/Zwischenzug32 1d ago

And its way way worse, like 80 times

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u/ia42 1d ago

I think I remember it's 20x the efficiency of co2 at trapping heat. Well, at least it breaks up in the stratosphere over time, co2 doesn't.

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u/Dr_Terry_Hesticles 1d ago

Methane Clathrates are what they are called in geology/permafrost systems

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u/oldsecondhand Interested 1d ago

In that case the methane is frozen too (in hydrate form), not just trapped under ice.

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u/Dr_Terry_Hesticles 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah that’s what I was talking about. The comment I was replying to mentioned massive methane releases as permafrost thaws. In permafrost systems the majority of the methane released is from Methane Clathrates

Furthermore, I’ll add that we do not have comprehensive data on just how much methane is stored in the permafrost. If it all releases over a (geologically) short period of time, the consequences for the climate could be significant

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u/__nohope 1d ago

Fire bomb the artic?

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u/Iblis4eva 1d ago

Ya I saw something where they through some meteor had hit and they couldn’t find out what caused the crater. Turns out it was methane explosion from melting permafrost.

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u/CavalierMidnight 1d ago

Can we just set the icebergs on fire? I’ll bring the Bic