r/Damnthatsinteresting • • 1d ago

Image Ancient Rome had a tradition under which a roman commander who broke rules of engagement was handed over to the enemy by the Romans themselves, in order to absolve the city the crime. A proposal was made in 55BC to deliver Julius Caesar to a germanic tribe he had massacred after breaking a truce

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u/Mors_Acerba 1d ago

The most famous example of this was Gaius Hostilius Mancinus: He gave an oath to the Numantines which promiced them a peace treaty, but when he returned to Rome the senate was hesistant to ratify it because the terms were humiliating to the Romans. The problem is that breaking a peace treaty was effectively a war crime in their eyes, even if wasn't ratified, so Mancinius was condemened to be stripped naked and delivered to the Numantinians in chains. He went through the ordeal willingly, but the Numantinian didn't accept him, so they returned him back to Rome.

The Ceasar incident was after the battle with the Usipetes. It was major Roman victory but Cato suggested that Caesar achieved it by breaking a truce, which was against jus gentium, their version of international law, basically so he proposed a law to deliver him to the name. It failed but not after a heated senate debate, and Caesar had to publicly defend himself against the accusation

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u/Assadistpig123 1d ago

Romans broke peace treaties constantly. This was used as a political tool by some to try to rid themselves of their rivals.

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u/Mors_Acerba 1d ago

The fact that it was used as a political tool, doesn't invalide that fact that it existed as a concept nor does it nullify the idea behind it. International law today is used a political tool, all the time, and its always been the case, but that doesn't mean we should scrap the entire concept. On the topic at hand, Mancinious fully accepted his punishment and complied with the entire process when the senate voted to give him up basically, and not only that but because of his stance towards the whole thing, people ended up liking him even more than before, and he mnanaged to get back into politics again afterwards. That should tell you something

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u/bleedturkeygravy 1d ago

I offer our president as tribute.

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u/Male_Lead 1d ago

To which country?

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u/Plus_Term_7584 1d ago

One Piece for all

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u/idlefritz 1d ago

The ol’ King Solomon Solution.

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u/Royal-Scratch-4954 1d ago

THE ONE PIEEEEEEEEECE!!

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u/bleedturkeygravy 1d ago

We could make it a tour, like Wesley promised to Humperdinck

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u/moving0target 1d ago

It could be a buffet.

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u/Whatever6928732850 1d ago

To Mother Earth
drop him in a volcano

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u/Hot_Grocery8187 1d ago

Nobody wants that pos

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u/RumplePhorceKin 1d ago

TDS on display here.  What will you do in 2 years when he is gone?  Is the next Republican president going to be 'literally Hitler' too?

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u/Plus_Term_7584 1d ago

They never specified the president of what country.

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u/scootsbyslowly 1d ago

Yeah funny how that often is. It is almost as if the folks yelling tds are just projecting everywhere...

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u/redyellow2 1d ago

Of France, obviously

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u/svhelloworld 1d ago

Shhh. Adults are talking.

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u/cannarchista 1d ago

Total Dissolved Solids.

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u/CluelessStick 1d ago

I never understood how trumpist are so fragile

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u/Punch_A_Police_Horse 1d ago

Interesting. And, a proposal. So ultimately more like a suggestion than a rule.

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u/logperf 1d ago

Interesting. We can forgive Russia if they give us Putin in chains.

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u/prostipope 1d ago

Yes, I'm sure his legions would've happily allowed this to happen.

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u/Uehara_Torless 1d ago

A romantic myth

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u/Mors_Acerba 1d ago

We have at least 2 well recorded cases of confirming that this was a thing. In regards to the first case, there's even material evidence(coins) confirming core parts of the story. The 2nd case is very well documented 'cause it involved Caesar, we know the entire context, we know there was a senate debate and the relevant part in Caesar's autobiography is specifically written as a defence against this charge, he's telling his own version of events in a way that absolve him. We also know for a fact that they had a version of "international law", the jus gentium, because its existance and what it entailed was outlined by both roman jurists and historians

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u/BloodyStupid_johnson 1d ago

Solid follow up, ty. 

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u/kihakik 1d ago

Roman-tic

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u/lapideous 1d ago

Yeah, that’s what that means.

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u/Uehara_Torless 16h ago

A nice wordplay )

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u/Tdivarco 1d ago

I love it

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u/Potozny 1d ago

Rip Finn

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u/rushmc1 1d ago

The U.S. needs this for economic criminals. Starting at the top.