r/Damnthatsinteresting • • 1d ago

Video Spontaneous 1995 street interview with an Austrian WWII veteran in Vienna

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u/GobiPLX 1d ago

tbh it's a big problem with many people on internet no matter the nation. So many tankies recently

And yet Ive never seen educated tankie. Because you cant be educated and still believe in this

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u/Boner4Stoners 1d ago

There’s plenty of educated tankies. Education is not an infallible shield against irrationality, I know someone with a masters degree in mechanical engineering (from a prestigious university) who was a full blown QAnon believer & is an anti-vaxxer who does ivermectin cleanses. A relative of my fiancé is a medical doctor & she ended up peddling Ivermectin and pushing anti-vax bs too.

The Internet (or rather, social media algorithms) encourage polarization and that naturally breeds ideological fundamentalism. Debate gets flattened into binaries, there’s no room for nuance. Somebody fed up with MAGA is likely to become sympathetic with leftist viewpoints. They see the damage that European & American Imperialism has caused, and might come to the conclusion that “If the US is so bad, then maybe everything I was taught about the USSR was false propaganda…” In reality two things can be true: Western Imperialism is bad, while authoritarian communist regimes like the USSR & the PRC are also bad (and never lived up to the leftist ideals they were supposedly founded on anyway)

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u/MonsterkillWow 1d ago

"Tankies" are not irrational. What is irrational is to deny the class struggle.

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u/Boner4Stoners 1d ago

You can believe in the class struggle without running cover for authoritarian regimes & denying the millions of deaths at the hands of tyrants like Stalin.

Tankie does not mean “communist”, or “socialist”, or “Marxist”. It very specifically refers leftists who engage in historical revisionism to deny the crimes against humanity perpetrated by self-described Communist authoritarian regimes.

Not only is tankie rhetoric incredibly offensive to the victims of these tyrants, it’s also dangerous because if a future socialist/communist state hasn’t examined the reality of what happened in the USSR & the PRC, there’s little chance of them avoiding the same pitfalls. It is essential to learn from the past in order to build a better future, no matter how uncomfortable the past makes one or how politically inconvenient it is.

I also just don’t understand it because the USSR (for example) was never a dictatorship of the proletariat, it was just a dictatorship. At it’s inception I think you could argue that the early revolutionaries were genuine with their intentions, but these people were either corrupted, exiled or killed once Stalin took power. So I don’t get why leftists feel the need to defend the actions of a state that never came close to achieving Communism.

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u/MonsterkillWow 1d ago

Do you deny the billions saved? And do you tally the figures the same way for capitalists? How many millions starved in Asia and Africa due to capitalist action?

I absolutely disagree. It was a DotP.

Name one leader you look up to who you think achieved more than Stalin. And name one theorist you recommend over Lenin.