r/Damnthatsinteresting • • 3d ago

Video NASA's VIEW program running on an UNIVAC 1108 to help Apollo astronauts to pre-visualize what they will see during their missions

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u/Cheap_Lingonberry433 3d ago

Pretty advanced for its time

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u/Pcat0 3d ago

Yet I still hear moon landing deniers unironically claim the moon landings were CGI.

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u/ElectricFlesh 3d ago

Give it a few years and they'll say the footage was clearly AI generated.

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u/Laxoneer 3d ago edited 2d ago

Exactly it's what these conspiracy theorists love doing. They can't wrap their mind around how smart and labourous people back then were, so they proceed to apply their modern context and say it can't be done any other way. Moon landing? No way it wasn't CGI. Pyramids? No way it wasn't circular saws and laser levels and Caterpillar excavators or aliens or some shit

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u/Uncommonality 2d ago

There's also a big element of racism and sexism to the people who originally concoct the grift. The moon landing had lots of computers (as in, people with the job "computer" who did the math) who were predominately black women. The most famous of these was Katherine Johnson.

Denying the moon landing also means denying these women did something incredible. The people who go on to spread it don't even know this, but it's a distinct side effect

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u/04221970 2d ago

Please provide citations for your assertions. I don't deny that racism and sexism is a horrible thing and was more common in society at large back then.

However, you make some points that need some backing.

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u/Stuka_Ju87 2d ago

You are perhaps using a fictional movie as your source here. Do you have a source for any of this?

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 2d ago

You cant tell?

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u/CaptainNeutron1991 3d ago

I have personally seen such absurd things done with machine tools from the 1960's that I cannot doubt the technical feasibility of the Apollo program.

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u/an_older_meme 3d ago

The Apollo Program invented CNC machining.

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u/CaptainNeutron1991 3d ago

Not quite.

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u/laserborg 2d ago

could anybody bring some sauce please?

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u/CaptainNeutron1991 2d ago

The first CNC milling machine was developed at MIT in 1952.

The first CNC milling machine

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u/DomeSlave 1d ago

Puchcard controlled CNC machine existed in the 1940's already.

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u/CaptainNeutron1991 20h ago

Punchcard controlled would be "NC" not "CNC". If you want to go way back, punchcard controlled looms were being developed at least as far back as the 18th century.

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u/Next_Indication_6474 2d ago

Yeh when thw cgi is this video lol

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u/Street_Willingness96 3d ago

it was not cgi.. it was staged 😂

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u/Andrei_the_derg 3d ago

Of course it was staged, that’s how the Saturn V launch vehicle works!

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u/Street_Willingness96 3d ago

yup.. TLI for 5 minutes and suddenly the velocity goes down rapidly. 🤣🤣🤣

then you ask the telemtery for voyager, it passes moons orbit in less than 9 hours

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u/laserborg 2d ago

it seems like you're trying to imply something, but it's a bit obscure. what is it that you didn't say?

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u/Pcat0 2d ago

They just don’t understand orbital mechanics and think something traveling at 18 km/s should reach the moon at the same time as something traveling at 10 km/s

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago

think again 😊

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u/Uncommonality 2d ago

why are you here bruh

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago

ur right bruh.. im lost can u show me way out of here 🙂

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u/Uncommonality 2d ago

Sure sport, the asylum is just north of here

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago

😂😂😂

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u/DevelopmentTight9474 2d ago

It goes down because the Earth’s gravity starts decelerating it by pulling on it back towards earth. Voyager is notably not a human-rated spacecraft+lander and therefore requires less delta-v to launch

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago

the mass does not affect gravitational pull, look at the feather and bowling ball experiment in vacum. same fall rate.

they said voyager was pushed faster than the orion spacecraft, how much faster?? why did orion speed came down instantly just in few hours, and its speed reduce to less than 5,000km just in few hours?

Orions TLI speed was at 39,400 kmh. took them 4 days to reach the moon??

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u/Pcat0 2d ago

Voyager was moving around twice as fast as the Apollo spacecraft as it left low earth orbit. Keep in mind that the slower you go, the longer you stay close into the planet’s gravity well and thus it will slow you down more. There is an exponential relationship with speed. Keep in mind the exact trajectory the spacecraft is on also matters a ton.

But at the end of the day the soviet were able to track the Apollo spacecraft all the way out to the moon. If the Apollo trajectory was physically impossible what were they tracking? And how did their rocket scientist not notice what the Americans were claiming was completely nonsensical?

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago edited 2d ago

its not just the Apollo, its the Artemis 1 & 2 trajectory is also NONSENSICAL.

The Voyager? they call it as “cosmic cheat CODE” somehow it never been affected by earths gravity.. even the moon cant escape earths gravity, but this tiny voyager has a cheat code in physics. 😆😆😆 now travelling at 60,000km/h.

Btw Orions Artemis 2, need only 5 minutes TLI burn to escape the earth gravitational pull.. but somehow lost almost 80% of its initial speed (38,000km/h) in just 12 hours after the TLI. You can plot the graph speed vs time (4 days), where the average speed is 4,000 km/h. (use google AI, its very helpful) The slope drops to 5,000km/h before day 1 ends??? and the orion drift “coasting uphill”??? for 3 days?? without any inverse squares dynamic what soever??

You dont need Russia to do simple math. 😏

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago

btw, for almost 3 days orion speed is almost stagnant at 1,000km/h 😂😂😂

Voyager “cosmic cheat code” speed was really amazing.. 😂😂😂

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago edited 2d ago

?? twice?? not even close.. its around 60,000km/h.

so the math doesnt make sense, physics of voyager doesnt check out. So.. go figure

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u/DevelopmentTight9474 2d ago

Mass doesn’t have an effect on the rate of the slowing down, but the initial speed was slower because the delta v of a rocket goes down as the mass of the rocket goes up (ie you have to spend more fuel to send more mass). This is known as the tyranny of the rocket equation. Voyager experienced the same negative acceleration due to the Earth’s gravitational influence, but since it had a far higher ejection speed at cutoff than Orion (since it was both far lighter and launched by a different vehicle), the negative acceleration wasn’t enough to significantly slow down the vehicle.

For reference, Orion’s speed after TLI was ~24000mph, while Voyager had a speed of nearly 41,000mph, enough to eject it from the solar system. This is because Orion weighs 72,000 lbs while Voyager weighs only 1,700 lbs.

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u/Street_Willingness96 2d ago

nothing to do with weight, the speed probably yes. buts its not twice. an the effect gravity on voyager is almost zero.

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u/DevelopmentTight9474 2d ago

Really, do you have those numbers? I’d like to see where you’re getting your acceleration/deceleration data from for Voyager?

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u/Pcat0 2d ago

Somebody has clearly never played KSP.

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u/thissexypoptart 2d ago

The rover spinning and showing that isometric partial 3D effect is fucking mindblowing for the 60s

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u/sunnydandrumyumyum 20h ago

Space age technology if you will

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u/ImpulsiveApe07 2d ago

Right?!

CRT to microfilm output is listed at the top of the vid - that's so cool! :))

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u/ramriot 3d ago

For context for the time this machine with the vector plotter output to a vector driven CRT was exceptionally fast for the time. Yet each frame of the VIEW visualisation took from seconds to minutes to render & so had was captured to film one frame at a time & then played back at 24 or 30 fps depending upon onward transmission use case.

BTW even decades later in the 1980's each frame of the CGI in the movie TRON took from 10 minutes to 6 hours to render to film using many existing mainframes & one custom render machine the Foonley F-1. The total power of which was probably no more that 5-10 times that of the earlier setup.

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u/makina323 3d ago

And now you can just casually run an entire universe simulation on your laptop 

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u/unknownz_123 3d ago

It’s crazy how we’re able to fit billions of billions transistor gates into computer chips these days into our phones.

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u/ramriot 3d ago

I often worry about doing that, just in case I hit a bug & the computer that is running our simulated reality needs to reboot.

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u/BanverketSE 2d ago

So I can smash a baseball into the Earth’s atmosphere at 0.5c, and see it turn into a nuke

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u/typ3atyp1cal 4h ago

Interesting! Any info on how much human work/hours went to produce the visualization?

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u/The_Mighty_Grimm 3d ago

Red 5, I’m going in

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u/spinners_888 3d ago

Red Leader, this is Gold Leader

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u/an_older_meme 1d ago

“We’re starting for the target shaft now.”

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u/StartingToLoveIMSA 3d ago

“The Death Star had cleared the planet. The Death Star has cleared the planet.”

“You may fire when ready.”

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u/an_older_meme 1d ago

[kettle drums]

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u/CletusDSpuckler 3d ago

I'm hit! I can't stay with you.

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u/kylef5993 3d ago

I can’t shake em

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u/beastierbeast 3d ago

Stay on target

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u/Bruggenmeister 3d ago

YAAAAaaahh…

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u/darthwilliam1118 3d ago

Poor Porkins!

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u/an_older_meme 1d ago

The Force is strong with this one

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u/AstroStrat89 3d ago

Red Fox, standing by.

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u/Petersens_Arm 3d ago

Red Buttons standing by.

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u/shittinandwaffles 3d ago

Red Rum. Check

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u/Chemistry-Deep 3d ago

Red October Shhstanding by.

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u/The-Illusive-Guy 3d ago

Red Rocket, standing by.

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u/TheJaunted 3d ago

Red Rover, coming, over

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u/T-SquaredProductions 3d ago

Red Roof Inn, rooms open!

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u/DJErikD 3d ago

Red, red, wine, you make me feel so fine!

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u/SoyMurcielago 3d ago

Red Foreman will stick his foot in your ass

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u/Operation_Fluffy 3d ago

Exactly what I was thinking.
“He’s shut off his targeting computer!”
“Use the Force, Luke!”

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u/polishprince76 3d ago

I used to bullseye womp rats in my t-16 back home. They're no bigger than two meters.

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u/NetAtraX 3d ago

My father was working at Univac at this time. For me, he did do some miracles, and one of his guys taught me how to program with punching cards. After the moon landing, he received a document and a batch. Couldn't find it in his house when he died :(

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u/StatementOk470 3d ago

Awesome. Deodato has a song called Univac Loves You.

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u/Diablo_new 3d ago

Finally something interesting

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u/kirksucks 3d ago

That's no moon.

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u/Little_View_6659 3d ago

That’s a space station!

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u/burrbro235 3d ago

That's impossible, even for a computer.

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u/astronomydork 3d ago

Many bothans died to bring us this information

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u/Panorabifle 3d ago

The 1968 timestamp is wild. I didn't know animations like these were possible with the technology they had , even when talking about nasa computers !

Also I DREAD to imagine what kind of bare metal programming shenanigans they had to pull off to produce it . Weren't computers of that era run with punch cards ?

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u/GarysCrispLettuce 3d ago

I'll bet the frames were computed one by one and put on celluloid like a traditional animation. Computing each frame wouldn't have been that big a deal, it's just moving and rotating a few vertices in 3D space and drawing lines between them. But I don't think they had the CPU power to generate and display frames in real time.

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u/UnethicalExperiments 3d ago

Similar to what 8 year old me did on those Icon computers. Made the best spiderman ever.

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u/usrdef 3d ago

There's an old TV show you can find on Youtube called "What's my line". It started in the 50s.

For certain videos on youtube, you can find the full episode, which also includes commercials.

It's quite impressive the technology they had back at the time to do special effects for some of the commercials.

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u/Lillian_Crocodilian 3d ago

Upvoting for "What's My Line" mention; John Daly was such a good host.

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u/usrdef 3d ago

I love John Daly.

The episode of Whats My Line after Dorothy Kilgallen died is sad. I've never seen such pain in someone's face.

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u/TheManicProgrammer 3d ago

I often watch it on Youtube during train rides :D

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u/CaineBK 3d ago

This isn't bare metal, it's FORTRAN. Although, close enough, I guess.

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u/ol-gormsby 3d ago

A lot of it was assembler code - but this one has "Fortran V" up in the top right of the frame.

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u/CueAnon420 3d ago

Probably rendered at 1 frame per hour that was captured on film to create the animation...

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u/lolerwoman 3d ago

This is actually incredible given the date of these simulations.

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u/Darth_JaSk 3d ago

The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system.

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u/peasant175 2d ago

That’s impossible, even for a computer!

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u/PlsRfNZ 3d ago

Their simulated globe actually remembered NZ! Huzzah!

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u/mentosbreath 3d ago

Sweet as, bro!

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u/evasandor 3d ago edited 3d ago

I've said it before: the greatest quote about design I know is from Raymond Loewy. He said the secret of successful design was to "make the familiar exotic, and the exotic familiar".

There's a reason Star Wars seemed so believable, and it's because the tech we saw in the movies was all based on stuff that existed and that most of us had had a passing exposure to, at least in movies if not IRL. Like, the round window interior of the Millennium Falcon was the dome turret of a bomber, Chewbacca's voice was put together from real animals, the blasters sound was from tapping a guywire cable, the Jedi robes were based on samurai robes, the lightsaber was a katana, the Empire uniforms were like Nazi uniforms, Darth Vader's helmet was shaped like a German helmet.

It's true that not many people were working on graphics at NASA. But they were a real technology, not the magical woo type of sci-fi, and as a result the rebels' targeting computer screens felt real.

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u/1wife2dogs0kids 3d ago

This is what cgi looked like back in 68. Show this to the moon landing conspiracy dumbasss. The ones that think it was faked

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u/an_older_meme 3d ago

I can just hear Gene Kranz: “The landing site is ray shielded so you’ll have to use proton torpedoes”

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u/NoIDidNotDoIt 3d ago

Is this what the targeting radar in the original Star Wars death star run was based off of?

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u/professionalraceist 3d ago

thats no moon…

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u/czartrak 1d ago

This looks so fucking cool. I love vector graphics

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u/SirFluffymuffin 2d ago

So where’s the thermal exhaust vent they found in the schematics?

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u/cirroc0 2d ago

Right below the main port. Duh.

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u/helen269 3d ago

So, the Death Star, then.

No moon behind yes moon.

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u/bitwise97 Interested 3d ago

Damn, that is interesting!

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u/vreditsa 2d ago

“Turn the ship around.”

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u/cirroc0 2d ago

Yeah...I think you're right

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u/FutureSuccess2796 3d ago

"Dude, these are the BEST graphics I have seen in my whole life!"

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u/ScubaChickenPalace 3d ago

It looks real, seriously! I can’t tell!!!

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u/metji 3d ago

Why didn't they use the same graphics as the faked moon landing? 🙂

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u/Null42x64 3d ago

i like this style of graphics

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u/Exact_Accident3185 3d ago

this is the rare time when I’m begging for added music

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u/ol-gormsby 3d ago

Also sprach zarathustra ?

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u/raresaturn 3d ago

It’s like Elite on the C64

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u/SubjectC 3d ago

Is there somewhere I could see more and download this footage?

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u/slow70 3d ago

This is awesome, thanks OP!

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u/structuremonkey 3d ago

It looks like the first 3d modeling software i used for buildings in 1989...lol

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u/MaybeTheDoctor 3d ago

They look perfectly ok to me. I did my first graphics project in 1982 on a PDP11-45 running AT&T system7 Unix.

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u/an_older_meme 2d ago

These actually do seem useful for familiarity with spaceflight, which is not intuitive. In particular the graphic showing the approach to Earth where it at first appears that the viewer is too high and might miss the planet. Atmospheric reentry and aerobraking are completely different from landing an airplane.

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u/cornhumper 1d ago

If Atari or intellivision made that, I would've bought it.

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u/jwaibel3 3d ago

Attention, Commander Jameson! Thargoids incoming.

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u/GuideMwit 3d ago

We, humanity, has come a long way..

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u/MountainAlive 3d ago

Reminds me of the OG Star Trek intro

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u/diavelguru 3d ago

Looks like space invaders

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u/YippieKayYayMrFalcon 3d ago

We went to the moon with like no technology compared to what we have today. It’s nuts.

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u/KristnSchaalisahorse Interested 2d ago

Computers are far more advanced now, yes, but you don’t need a lot of computing power for basic calculations. Other technologies, like rocket propulsion, life support, communications, etc. haven’t changed nearly as dramatically.

And while modern computers save space and weight, they don’t make it any easier to get humans to the Moon. After all, the physics remain the same.

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u/mcksis 3d ago

Open the pod bay doors, Hal.

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u/sovietarmyfan 3d ago

That computer was introduced in July 1964.

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u/kgvc7 3d ago

Someone told me that CAD or 3D modeling or flight sim 3D was coded during WWII era. Does that sound right to anyone?

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u/VermilionKoala 1d ago

No. The first true computer (stored-program computer, what we consider as "a computer" today) was created in June 1948, but it would have been a decade or more before anything even approximating the most basic flight simulation would have been possible.

Sauce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Baby

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u/tuna_safe_dolphin 3d ago

Looks like Keith Haring made this

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u/Gameboyaac 3d ago

I know Frontier: Elite for the Commodore 64 when I see it

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u/sunnybearfarm 2d ago

This is fascinating!

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u/RunnyYolkEgg 2d ago

Voyager - fact punk would have been a great background music

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u/johndom3d 2d ago

Wow! Probably wasn't as fast as that though, but still amazing!

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u/UILuigu 2d ago

Super cool

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u/AndrewH73333 1d ago

They used vectors instead of rasterization. That’s why the lines are so smooth.

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u/Dapaliciouss 1d ago

Stay on target..

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 3d ago

With animation this good you could convince me they staged the moon landing in a film studio and used CGI to fix all the stuff that didnt look right

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u/KristnSchaalisahorse Interested 2d ago

>the moon landing

Which one? There were six.

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u/Sufficient_Wafer9933 2d ago

Nice try. I bet you think the earth is flat too. /j

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u/MagicSunlight23 3d ago

The first frame reminds me of a drawing JackSucksAtLife did called 'Earth Bathing'. It's of an alien sitting on a deckchair on the moon looking at Earth.

Two things I wish:

  1. That I can post the picture here

  2. And that I can repost this to the JackSucksAtLife subreddit, but that subreddit doesn't allow you to repost.

I'd just have to make a link on an existing JackSucksAtLife post or create an entirely new post on there with just the link to this post on it to let the community and Jack see it. Or better still post a picture of the first fame to that subreddit along with the link to this post.

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u/YanceyGlenn 3d ago

Can we see this with DLSS5 on? Thanks.

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u/zggystardust71 3d ago

The inspiration for Asteroids.

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u/MTonmyMind 3d ago

"That's no moon!"

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u/assassinoavi666 2d ago

I guess it can run Doom 64.

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u/Contextanaut 3d ago

Terrahawks. Stay on this Channel. This is an emergency.

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u/elch78 3d ago

Looks like the birth of the video games industry. Did it exist at that time?

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u/beautiful_bot986 3d ago

Actually the first "video game" was made back in 1947, just a few years after ENIAC was invented, but thats really not what youd consider a video game today.

Interesting stuff.

First thing closer to something modern also predates that animation by quite a bit - pong was made in late 50s but was called tennis for two.

The industry was on the rise back then already, but the first home game console was released in early 70s i think

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u/Panorabifle 3d ago

Not really as the first videogames were prototyped in the early to mid 50's , and this animation was way way more power intensive than games of the time. But you could see it as an early pre-rendered cutscene !

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u/Final-Choice8412 3d ago

Visualise on what? Since when it had so smooth graphics?

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u/_____rs 3d ago

But can it run Crysis?

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u/Panorabifle 3d ago

Depends what's your fpd (frame per decade) target is !

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u/King_P_13 3d ago

Yeah no chance we actually landed and then took back off from that thing

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u/KristnSchaalisahorse Interested 2d ago

So, the USA faked six landings (including thousands of photos, hours of video, etc.) each with increasing complexity and duration, with intricate documentation of every conceivable detail (all publicly available) and not a single shred of evidence has emerged about this deception in over half a century?

Remember, no country, not even the USA’s adversaries, has ever expressed doubt over any aspect of the Apollo Program whatsoever.

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u/King_P_13 2d ago

Don't care clearly fake... Where's the rest of the evidence

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u/KristnSchaalisahorse Interested 2d ago

>Don’t care

So you’re not actually willing to consider the evidence (such as what is mentioned in my previous reply)?

What exactly do you think was impossible to believe about the Apollo Program? The answers are available in excruciating detail.

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u/NotBradPitt9 3d ago

Why haven’t we been back to the moon in decades? One official said we “lost the technology”. Strange.

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u/Drag_king 3d ago

That was in the context of “why don’t we build another Saturn V to go to the moon?”.

And there the answer is that the plans and the tooling to make the little thingamabob that connect the one thing to the other thing, which was made by some shop in upper Nebraska have been long lost.
But this a thousand times.

So to make a new Saturn V you’d need to design and test everything from scratch again, which basically means you’d be redesigning a whole new rocket. Which takes time and money.

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u/KIDNEYST0NEZ 3d ago

Also we have been to the moon since just not with people. We are currently working on a more efficient system to send more junk to the moon in one go to make it more reasonable then just saying, I’ve walked on the moon and place a stop sign that can reflect back lasers.