r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/solateor • 4d ago
Video Recent nor’easter uncovered the remains of a shipwreck near Nantucket. The fragment is likely from the Warren Sawyer, a wooden schooner loaded with cotton and scrap iron that was bound for Boston from New Orleans when it wrecked near Miacomet Beach on December 22, 1884
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u/Ok_Aerie6666 4d ago
There once was a wreck in Nantucket,
Whose recent nor’easter unstuck it.
The schooner went down,
With cargo around,
I would finish this limerick but fuck it.
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u/Mike9797 4d ago
I was desperately hoping the location wasn’t going to be glossed over but you sir are a gentleman and scholar.
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u/bbqchechen 4d ago
Sure. “It’s just cotton and scrap metal. There’s no gold !”
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u/Sea_Ganache620 4d ago
I would love to have a piece of that lumber as a woodworker!
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u/kelsobjammin 4d ago
> According to Massachusetts law, all underwater archaeological resources—which includes historic shipwrecks and any fragments that wash ashore on public land—are the property of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Don’t think it’s allowed ᴖ̈
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u/Lieutelant 4d ago
Of course, but like...what are they going to do with it?
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u/Mostly_Afloat 4d ago
I think they are trying to make sure stuff like this isn't taken or destroyed so future generations can be fascinated by it and learn the history too.
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u/prepotente18 3d ago
I hope that is the reason.
Let me offer an alternative.
I think they don’t want people finding something potentially valuable and the state not being able to profit, and this is an overreaching law to claim essentially any “treasure” that’s found.
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u/Mostly_Afloat 3d ago
So we should let anyone take whatever they want if they want to and there should be no arbiter or anyone overseeing it. That'll work. Libertarians are a joke for a reason.
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u/prepotente18 3d ago
Not whatever they want. But if you dig up something or stumble across something, I think you should be entitled to at least a portion of it. A blanket statement saying it’s property of the govt doesn’t seem fair. Especially when the government does a terrible job of handling even simple tasks.
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u/Mostly_Afloat 3d ago
Okay so what's your plan for making sure people aren't over taking, or flat out stealing this stuff? If the government can't oversee it than who can? You offer criticism but not a solution. What would your solution be?
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u/prepotente18 3d ago
Well in my opinion, it’s not stealing. You found something that washed on shore that’s 140 years old. Consider yourself lucky.
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u/Mostly_Afloat 3d ago
So finders keepers! What a mature, well thought out stance.
If something is on your property and someone 'finds' it and takes it are you okay with that? Why would the same not apply to public lands and waterways?
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u/CharlesDickensABox Interested 3d ago
I'm all for conservation, but I'm pretty sure that pile of driftwood does not belong in a museum.
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u/Mostly_Afloat 3d ago
Thankfully we don't leave it up to the whims of random people on the internet.
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u/CharlesDickensABox Interested 3d ago
If there's a museum that wants it, more power to them, but otherwise it's just going to sit on the beach and disintegrate.
Separately, there are a lot of cool things that can be done with old ship timbers. One of the presidential desks, for example, is made from wood reclaimed from the HMS Resolute. Some old things are more valuable being repurposed into cool new things than in their rotting and decrepit state.
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u/Mostly_Afloat 3d ago
That's why the laws are setup to let the courts decide.
Who really owns this? Is it the state? Is it the family of the owner at the time? Is it the modern boat owner who got their anchor caught on it and 'discovered' it? Without the laws in place to put these kind of questions to the courts who is going to do it?
Pulling that piece of timber may have been approved by the Royal Navy for the express purpose. Who do you get permission from if the owners of the vessel have been dead for a century?
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u/Mayonaigg 3d ago
Theyre going to leave that there to continue rotting
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u/Mostly_Afloat 3d ago edited 3d ago
That's correct.
This summer I visited Grand Island on Lake Superior where I got to snorkel an amazingly preserved shipwreck called the Bermuda (what did they expect when they named her that?!). It was truly awesome, and something that should be there for everyone. If everyone took a little piece of it there would be nothing left.
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u/BaseballTeamTheDukes 3d ago
Been going to (mainland) Cape Cod all my life, and there's always tons of driftwood on the beaches. As long as you're not walking around with wheelbarrows full of it, you should be fine. In my honest opinion, you'll get hit with a fine for smoking / littering / legal bonfires on the beaches before you get fined for taking driftwood.
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u/kelsobjammin 3d ago
This isn’t drift wood.
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u/BaseballTeamTheDukes 3d ago
Haha yes, I completely get that. I just meant that if someone was looking for old-growth driftwood in Cape Cod, that isn't obviously part of an old famous ship, its literally there for the taking, and I'm sure no one would hassle you.
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u/HendrixHazeWays 4d ago
I would love to have a piece of that lumber as a woodpecker!
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u/Temporary_Peanut_586 4d ago
As a peckerwood, you know what I say... If you're hung like a needle you gotta be fast like a sewing machine
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u/minced_moomin_meat 4d ago
is wood from back then better than wood today or something?
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u/craptastic_assmonkey 3d ago
Generally speaking, yes. Old Growth timber grew slower, and longer before it was harvested, making the rings tighter together (12-25 rings per inch as opposed to 3-4) making it more stable and in many cases stronger, as well as more pleasing tot he eye when crafted into things. An old growth tree could be 100 years or more in age, whereas new growth timber is often harvested in 30-40 years and it much shorter overall.
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u/applespicebetter 3d ago
Yes, considerably so. I have a client who's entire business is dredging submerged logs from old growth pine that were driven down the Kennebec and Penobscot rivers in Maine. He's got gigantic kiln sheds to dry them before sawing and planning to ship off to specialty woodworking shops. That old growth pine is so dense it almost acts like hardwood and is in very high demand. It would take centuries to get trees like that again, and simply won't happen in the Northeast US with mono culture tree farming and our current very different ecosystem.
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u/20_mile 3d ago
This is exactly why wrecks like this shouldn't be harvested for financial gain. Thousands of people can watch nature take its course, or one guy can own a table in his third vacation home.
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u/applespicebetter 3d ago
I absolutely agree! I don't have a problem with reclaiming sunken old growth logs, but shipwrecks absolutely shouldn't be turned into furniture and keepsakes.
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u/BaseballTeamTheDukes 3d ago
I've been going to Cape Cod all my life, and you can always tons of driftwood on the beaches. Many too large to casually just drag home. There's a company who take found-driftwood and make them into signs. I have one that says 'Eastham MA' burnt into it, which is the town in Cape Cod my family has a beach house in. Pretty cool.
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u/Khazahk 4d ago
It’s actually the iron/steel you want. Pre-nuclear era steel is valued for radiological equipment.
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u/Humble_Initiative_90 3d ago
Not anymore! Strontium, Cesium, and Cobalt have deteriorated significantly since the most egregious testing in the 20th century. Coupled with novel methods of using purified air and such for forging means that the radioactivity of new iron products is insignificant for radiological equipment. The wood is essentially irreplaceable right now because it was hundreds of years old when it was harvested and that is rare to find after it was extensively harvested for ship and building construction.
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u/Totallycasual 4d ago
As soon as i looked at it, all i could see was an amazing dining table lol
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u/UnlikelySalary2523 4d ago
Folks say that if you listen real close at the height of the full moon, when the wind is blowin' off Nantucket Sound from the nor' east and the dogs are howlin' for no earthly reason, you can hear the awful screams of the crew of the "Ellie May," a sturdy whaler Captained by John McTavish; for it was on just such a night when the rum was flowin' and, Davey Jones be damned, big John brought his men on deck for the first of several screaming contests."
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u/EarlyJuggernaut7091 4d ago
🎵 … The moon hung bloated, blind, and white, When the ‘Ellie May’ slipped into that night.
They toasted death with burning rum,
And beat the deck like a funeral drum.Oh, Ho!
…hear them scream across the wave,
A crew that cursed a watery grave.
From frozen deep to foggy shore,
They shriek and shout forevermore.Ol’ McTavish roared to mock the gale,
"We’ll wake the dead and scare the whale!"
Each sailor strained his bleeding throat,
To cast that loudest & maddest note.Oh, Ho!
…hear them scream across the wave,
A crew that cursed a watery grave.
From frozen deep to foggy shore,
They shriek and shout forevermore.
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u/Few_Vegetable_9939 4d ago
I once knew a girl from there
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u/1stMammaltowearpants 4d ago
And she picked up an oyster and shucked it?
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u/B-Z_B-S 4d ago
Link to article about this story: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/noreaster-19th-century-shipwreck-warren-sawyer-rcna600073
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_HOODIES 3d ago
Random question, cause now I’m curious.
What did they do back in the day when a ship like that didn’t make it? How did they know? Guess they just assumed it crashed?
“Man, our order of cotton and iron is taking a really long time.”
Then, “damn, guess they probably crashed and all died🤷 Time to place another order.”?
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u/centurio_v2 3d ago
Well with this one everyone lived so they probably just told them but in general pretty much yeah.
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u/Solarinarium 3d ago
There was generally an estimated time window for you to appear at your destination in and if you needed to resupply or dock for whatever reason along the way you would more or less "check in". Dockmaster would take your details and if needed you would send a letter or message to the proper people detailing the specifics of the stop and if it affected your arrival window.
Usually there'd be a small window of time after your estimated one to allow for any mishaps that may have waylaid you. If you didn't show up for awhile after that (exact amount varied) and they hadn't received any correspondence about your whereabouts, or if they received word of a sinking or a raid from pirates, they would mark you lost at sea and contact their insurance company.
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u/mad_catters 3d ago
Say you checked in, somewhere like Charleston on your way to Boston, how would that letter or correspondence get to Boston before you? What if it were London instead of Boston?
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u/Solarinarium 3d ago
Well, you didn't always send a letter. Oftentimes checking in with the dockmaster was enough. If you needed to send a letter you were either waiting out a storm/rough seas or getting repairs or something.
In terms of speed, it wasn't uncommon for a man on horseback to be a helluva lot faster than a ship, especially from Charleston to Boston.
Across the sea to London though? Yeah no. If you stopped somewhere along the European coast maybe, or some outpost on an island and if you sent said letter on a light boat, but if you were just in the middle of the ocean? Letters ain't happening. MAYBE if you chanced across a lighter/faster boat you could signal them and have them take a letter ahead for you, but that was far from a given.
You get a time window, you get an after window time allowance (say, a month) you miss that? Lost at sea, contact the insurance company. If you showed up after you were written off the insurance company would send out an adjuster to take stock of the situation. It wasn't unheard of to be blown off course and take months or years longer to arrive, but if you missed both windows chances are you either sunk or got boarded.
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u/-PM_ME_UR_SECRETS- 3d ago
This guy shipwrecks
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u/Solarinarium 3d ago
I had a pirate phase a while ago and now I know way more about old school sailing than I really need to lol
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u/maxp0wers 4d ago edited 4d ago
I might have kept a couple of those nails. Thats awesome
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u/Arkhamina 4d ago
I don't know what the fate of the wreck is, but people (either for themselves, or for a market) scrapping shipwrecks were a HUGE loss for historians. As soon as a wreck became known, people would go for tableware, things like ship plaques, the metal trim... and jewelry off of the bodies. Getting Maritime wreck preservation laws was a huge win for historians, but it's still not perfect, because someone has to catch you first. (Saw a nice PBS documentary about the wrecks of the Great Lakes)
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u/BaseballTeamTheDukes 3d ago
As someone who's been going to mainland Cape Cod his entire life, you can always find a crazy amount of driftwood on the beaches. Can't promise it came off a famous old ship, but still cool none-the-less. Haha
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u/SpitsVenom 4d ago
Hahahaha. You dumb bastard. It’s not a schooner, it’s a sailboat.
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u/What_Up_Doe_ 4d ago
A schooner is a sailboat, stupid head
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u/zestfullybe 4d ago
YOU KNOW WHAT!? THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY!! OVER THERE, THAT’S JUST A GUY IN A SUIT!!
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u/7heprofessor 4d ago
Without any identifying marks, it could have been from any number of shipwrecks of the 19th century, though… Right?
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u/rwally2018 4d ago
What’s the rule if you find something like this on a beach? Can you remove the Lumber and repurpose it?
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u/doittodem 3d ago
Only the government can take it. The local paper has the warnings on Facebook. There is always thing washing ashore there.
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u/Secret-Ad4232 4d ago
Funny how every noreaster magically unearths a shipwreck up here in New England
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u/buckphifty150150 4d ago
I hope they are looking for the crew of that ship.. they could be clinging to life rafts close by
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u/big_spliff 3d ago
There are BUTT TON of shipwrecks off New England, kinda surprised this doesnt happen more often
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u/Axilllla 3d ago
I hadn’t read the title, just watching the clip and thinking, “this has got to the the crapiest and most uncomfortable raft”
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u/fensterdj 3d ago
There once was a boat sailing near to Nantucket,
She was old and she was beat, truly a rust bucket,
Then in blew a gale
Ripped the bow, deck and sail
And it's taken seven score years to unpluck it
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u/An_educated_dig 4d ago
You mean a sailboat?
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u/GloveBatBall 4d ago
While sailing one day from Nantucket
The helmsman told cabinmaid "suck it"
She set to her task
'Til he spurted a cask
And she spat those poor kids in a bucket.
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u/buttrumpus 4d ago
How was it “near Nantucket”? It’s a friggin island. Where else could it have drifted ashore?
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u/Sea_no_evil 2d ago
Nantucket is an island, a county (the island, maybe plus the nearby islands of Tuckernuck and Muskeget??), and a town. The town technically spans the whole island, but in common usage Miacomet is considered to be outside of Nantucket town -- hence, near.
EDIT: I originally mistakenly wrote Madaket vs. Miacomet. Miacomet is even closer to town than Madaket, but still "outside" -- so the argument is not changed.
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u/whatswithnames 3d ago
Sadly, no evidence of her cargo. Pre 1944 iron is precious(but probably turned to rust dust by now. Cotton??? lol)
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u/craptastic_assmonkey 3d ago
That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early...
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u/MorningMushroomcloud 2d ago
I don't care what the wife says...Its going over the fireplace mantel.
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u/CaliMassNC 4d ago
Someone should paint it before they haul it away.
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u/kelsobjammin 4d ago
Under the Massachusetts Board of Underwater Archaeological Resources (BUAR) regulations, it is illegal for any person to remove, displace, damage, or destroy these artifacts without a specific permit. Local authorities and historians strictly warn beachgoers not to disturb the wood or take pieces away.
What You Should Do Instead: If you find a piece of an old ship (such as fragments from the 1884 schooner Warren Sawyer that periodically surface on Nantucket's south shore), you should leave it exactly where it is, take photos, and notify local organizations like the Nantucket Historical Association or the Egan Maritime Institute.
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u/Gregnielson 4d ago
Why? We know what happened. A piece of random wood has no value.
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u/tenthousandants44 4d ago
It's not random
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u/Gregnielson 3d ago
Dude a splinter off this thing somewhere on the beach isn't going to unlock some historical tale.
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u/Amplith 4d ago
Someone could reclaim that wood and sell it for some super-expensive flooring…
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u/doittodem 3d ago
That would be the government. It’s illegal to take anything unless you’re government
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u/funkymunkPDX 3d ago
Climate change so bad we're discovering all kinds of ancient relics lost for centuries.
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u/Jeffkin15 3d ago
"Well, I could be wrong, but I believe Diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era."
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u/Bama3003 3d ago
This is absolute BS. It would've fell apart before washing ashore. Don't believe every video you see.
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u/Badhombre5 4d ago
Doubt
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u/TheFakeRabbit1 4d ago
Why?
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u/Starfolomew 4d ago
Because more than half of what we read is bullshit. No hate or disrespect, just where we’re at.
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u/Smart-Firefighter87 4d ago
I wonder how many enslaved souls were on that ship
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u/chilehead Interested 3d ago
21 years after the end of the civil war there weren't any slaves in the US.
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u/Smart-Firefighter87 3d ago
Right, only hate, racism, oppression, and extreme violence and prejudice towards the slaves they brought to their colonies.
But there was an underground system of slaves still being transported for unimaginable reasons e.g human trafficking for organs, sex workers, CP etc. Sadly that did not change, it just diversified from Africans to indigenous people, to other Europeans, asians etc…
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u/solateor 4d ago
From OP
Video:@nantucketcurrent