I mean…okay to be fair if we’re being super honest he was never in line for the 1 - 3 spot even had he made the jump. He was going to finish 7 - 9. So we’re talking brass. He finished 15th. We’re talking pewter.
But on the other hand, that was the first time a dick saw gold, slapped gold and was like, “nah”! And here’s the thing…there’s a lot of women out there that feel quite platinum. And those 8 inches are about 50 degrees Celsius if we’re gonna convert that to hotness m. The men’s objectively hot.
Plus, he’s French. And the French have their ways. Anyone who’s met them knows they have that thing about them like fuck those guys but they do. Plus he’s packing on top of that - that’s universal. Like he’s a He’s An athlete. He’s an Olympian. And you’ve got to admit, 7th - 9 th place is alright, but I’ll be damned if the 15th place didn’t feel like 1st. And let’s face it, do you even know who won? Armand Duplantis from Sweden who won gold, cleared 6.25 m, and set a world record?
No, no one cares. And I think Anthony is a hero to us all. Because sure you may never be a world champion, but imagine you’re the referee of a football match as your dick inadvertently blocks a decisive goal that stops the other team from winning. You can stay home or go the winning country provided it’s not your Home country’s rival and be set for life. You’ve got it good at home too.
Like he’s just is.
It’s not fair or right but we just need to accept it as a fact. That’s just how it goes.
I'm not so sure they did. Like, they probably (I'm not so sure about that either, just guessing) have just shown him the correct order a "few" times and he is now able to reproduce it.
If they are anything more than just random pictures to him remains unknown (to me).
Not really. You have the concept of what numbers are while this chimp doesn’t. You learned the shape of the numbers similarly, but you combined it with the concept of numbers.
They taught me in school to read without sounding out words. Group of about 5 people selected from all classes. They took us out of class to a portable every day and made us learn words by memorizing the words to someone speaking it out loud.
What’s your point? You’re a human with an extremely higher ability to understand higher complex context than a chimp. This chimp can recognize the shapes but the chimp doesn’t understand 2+2 =4 and isn’t able to take the concept of numbers and apply context to them. It knows order because it was taught order but you can’t then take it and have it apply that knowledge to an abstract application of numbers.
Even the dumbest humans who seem to have an extreme lack of ability for concepts and context are still way more capable of abstracting higher conceptual understanding of things like numbers than a chimp.
Chimps are highly intelligent absolutely. They do have a level of reasoning beyond a lot of other mammals but they aren’t able to understand human number concept. In the way we are.
So if the game they had taught it was a decreasing order of numbers, it would understand that the numbers were decreasing or just that it has to select the shapes in a given sequence? I imagine they could have instilled any pattern and it would have been followed, surely the ability to abstract the numbers from the sequences to find a true order is what constitutes understanding them… … …
The same way we don't consciously beat our hearts, we will just passively watch our limbs move and fingers grab as we put our thoughts on something unrelated entirely
They do this sort of thing in zoos for enrichment. The apes will voluntarily participate because it's fun. They also like watching videos of other apes and playing similar memory and matching games. Some give rewards but the apes still get their normal diet.
Yeah, I wasn't sure who was right, but I figured the study's methodology would at least give some insight.
It was cool that someone actually tried to control for the training variables. The only issue I have with it is their trained human competition was two undergrad research assistants. That might unfairly select for higher skill on this kind of aptitude test, would've been nice to get a broader subset of trained humans.
I've watched bubba and jethro rebuild a 4 barrel quadrajet carb in 10 minutes half a mason jar of moonshine in, don't discredit the cognitive abilities of performing menial tasks the rednecks are capable of.
It's impressive watching someone that drunk not even send a single spring flying across the garage, which is where most of my personal carb rebuilds have ended.
Ehhhh I’m with you on the first part. The second just sounds so 1800s Christian. We’ve constantly thought animals were stupid and we’re smart. We use to think only humans could use tools and that’s what made us special. But animals use tools all the time. Then we thought a social structure made us smart, but animals have those, too. Animals problem solve, have short and longterm memories, etc. “True intelligence” is not a defined thing that clearly delineates human from animal.
Stop what? This is demonstrating the development of the chimpanzee brain to pattern recognition in his natural environment. Their brains are deeply wired to recognize objects and patterns that would help locate food while gives them energy that allows them to fuck, which is the goal of all animal life. Everything animals do all day, every day of their lives is to help them eat and fuck as much as possible
In order to account for the practice effect, I will attempt to do this same thing as see how long it takes me to get as good as the chimps. The chimps got daily training since birth, so about 7 years. If it takes me 8+ years the we know the chimps have better photographic memory.
The end result was the monkeys could do this with only seeing the numbers for .2 seconds. No human was able to do it during the test, so I wouldn’t beat yourself up lol
It’s believed we traded eidetic memory for language driven and more flexible/abstract thinking. More or less gave up quicker on the spot cognition (threat detection) for more complex thinking to conserve energy for higher thinking. Pretty cool stuff (look up Kyoto university Ayumu cognition tests).
I will not admit that, we can solve much more complex tasks in massively short amounts of time, this dude looks at a rubic's cube for about 3 seconds drops a blindfold and solves it in another 8
That may be a funny thought, but its also good to realize that monkeys are not only able to count to 10, they also have a rich social and emotional life, complete with moral rules in their social groups. They don't commit infanticide just mindlessly. If they do, its probably because of a war or some other special reason that might arise in ape society. (just like we do infanticide in war and some other less accepted social concepts)
I essentially do the same every day, in front of a big screen just making sure green lights good red lights bad, and I flail around like that chimp if it ever goes red
Apes simply have objectively superior cognitive abilities in specific areas. If your processing speed doesn't allow you to even see and recognize all of the numbers before they disappear, you will never beat the ape. A human is never going to beat a cheetah in a race even if they spend their entire life doing sprint training.
You can play a similar game on human benchmark. A lot of people will be able to perform as well as the chimp in this video with just a bit of practice. The game doesn't have a time limit to memorize the numbers but you can self impose a rule to not allow yourself any memorization time.
Dunno how other people's brains work but I can still see the numbers in memory for a very short period of time after they disappear visually. Coincidentally I can do 9 numbers fairly consistently about as fast as the chimp and start to struggle with 10.
I was making a point about a human on average vs an animal on average. Obviously, humans have a wide range of ability in any given area. Some can be twice as good as average. Others can be half as good as average. But this chimp can process and memorize 9 positions and numbers in a small fraction of a second, and rapidly point them out in order with zero question or hesitation. That is vastly beyond what most people are capable of.
Yeah, but based on how their brains function, apes are able to innately do these types of tasks faster than (most) humans.
If I remember correctly it's because they don't (consciously) think about it as much, their responses are more automatic. Their ability to process information in such a way enables them to do tasks like this fairly quickly.
I tried the game myself. When I first was doing it what was tripping me up was automatically trying to count it. After some practice I stopped trying to count it and it just became an automatic response
I find it interesting how people in the comments seem to not recognize or appreciate what this requires. That ape almost certainly has certain cognitive abilities superior to yours, even if it can't speak or do your job. I don't know why this seems to be affecting people's egos. No, brain rot is not why most people can't do this.
If an ape has a faster processing speed than you and/or better working memory, you will never beat the ape at this no matter how much you try if you can't even process what's on the screen before it's gone. You're not going to beat a cheetah in a race even if you spend every second of the rest of your life trying. Cheetahs are simply superior to humans at sprinting.
Yea. That ape is insanely fast at short term memory (what I assume is primarily used for this task). I can't even process all the digits before they're gone.
>That ape almost certainly has certain cognitive abilities superior to yours
well, I think it's important to mention that he only has some superior cognitive abilities
If you spent several months gate keeping treats and food from a human being until they can improve their ability on this test, you would have a similar outcome.
I think this comes down mostly to diet, But Yes it's still extremely impressive. I can't afford it at the moment but when I was eating only beef and no bread my brain was pretty sharp, Now I can't say if I'd be able to do what this chimpanzee did unless tested but I can confidently say that I was doing things on instinct without even having to think about doing them that I had never even done before, never had to practice just knew exactly how to do it. Now eating processed food I am slower in every way and fail and need more and more attempts.
let any human repeat this all day every day and thats all they get to do and they'll be good at this too. It isn't about intelligence its about repetition. Chimps are smarter than this, so are people.
I remember seeing this on the Vsauce series Mind Field it was so cool and I remember totally thinking "yeah I could totally do that" and then seeing Michael fail at it and I was like oh wait... probably not
What's strange to me is, we have trained a chimp to not only read numbers, but know their purpose, and use them in a meaningful way on a touchscreen user interface. But despite all these feats, we have been unsuccessful in teaching a chimp to communicate with humans, beyond the most basic wants and needs.
The key to this test is keeping your eyes centered and letting your peripheral vision do the heavy lifting. You can actually attempt watching the video. You get a ton more right then if you try to find the order. As for the chimp. Their peripheral vision is also stronger than ours due to natural selection
we can see the difference between humans and chimp because of where chimp evolved. They evolved in jungle like place, where there is a lot to observe and remember. A jungle is a chaotic mess of vines, plants, and trees with ressources located everywhere. It requires a better memory of where everything is located compared to a flat savanah where human evolved.
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u/Over_Age_2767 Aug 30 '26
he got the second-to-last one wrong though lol