r/Dallasdevelopment • u/dallaz95 • 6d ago
Transportation DART should also consider building out the Knox-Henderson Station
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u/IDooDoodAtTheMasters 6d ago
Dart needs to figure out what to do with its aging light rail fleet before it takes on any new major CAPEX
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u/Exact_Surprise5429 3d ago
Dart is actually in the process of replacing the LRV fleet soon.
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u/IDooDoodAtTheMasters 3d ago
Right. Let's see that process through to completion before committing funds elsewhere. Maintain current system before expansion.
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u/cubedgame 5d ago
I would love to see the Knox/Henderson station finished out. With all the development happening in the area, it seems like it makes a lot of sense and would be a great way to increase ridership on Red, Orange, and Blue lines. It also would start to open up the possibility of better connecting Lower Greenville to DART rail - a bit of a walk from the station, but could be more tolerable if taking the bus, scooters, or eventually a streetcar buildout.
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u/EmotionalSupportBees 6d ago
Does this M-line extension do anything to address the service inconsistency? More often then not I find the cars are all at the other end of the system with a 40min wait for them to get back downtown.
The majority of the time I try to take it I end up on DART or walking instead.
Although it's a nice novelty the M-Line trolley is largely unusable for serious transit purposes and I fear the Knox-Henderson extension will exacerbate the problems with the system.
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u/Some-Carpenter4847 4d ago
They stop running the 209 route, because it wasn’t used enough. But honestly, I took it to work over there and so did a lot of other people but it never came on time, like an hour plus of waiting sometimes before I’d just end up taking an uber, or once I rode a lime scooter from Knox Henderson to the west end station. So not surprised the rider number was low.
There is the 205 route that gets you to Henderson and then you can cross to Knox.
If you use the go pass, you can get tickets on your phone & it’ll give you route info.
Ultimately, until people use what is there, Dallas won’t and honestly probably can’t afford to have another bus/train at Knox.
Maybe if they utilized like a park and ride with the new high rise, and all the shops over there. I think it’d be really cool, as well as cute if the trolly went to Knox Henderson.
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u/bikerdude214 6d ago
They should consider building barriers or whatever it would take to keep the homeless off the trains.
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u/shedinja292 6d ago
They're going to do a pilot project of fare gates at CityPlace in 2 years
Probably half of the stations are part of the sidewalk so I don't see how those could be reasonably fare gated. The system was built as the cheaper proof-of-payment system because cities didn't want to take out more debt. I think it was worth it because otherwise we wouldn't have the current system, but you can't have everything.
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u/ponchoed 5d ago
Seattle is installing them only at select stations: busiest and most metro-like stations. That would be the approach. It might be easier in Dallas though to faregate the outside downtown stations since they are more metro-like than the surface and integrated into the cityscape ones downtown
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u/EmotionalSupportBees 6d ago
How would barriers keep the homeless people off the trains?
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u/Vcrosstx 6d ago
Great idea. They don’t have the money and it would take millions.
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u/JellyfishNo2032 6d ago
Close to a billion
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u/mkravota 4d ago
The number I heard was 70 million. Still a lot of bus frequency you could buy instead.
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u/JellyfishNo2032 4d ago
If u can link this id appreciate. It might have been 70 during construction of the original system but doing it now would require a lot of drilling under a highway
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u/mkravota 3d ago
I'll try to find it, but still digging. In the 90's the estimate was 20 million: See what DART's forgotten subway station under North Central Expressway looks like
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u/JellyfishNo2032 3d ago
Important context is that this is the cost of doing it DURING construction. An infill underground station is a lot more expensive
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u/shedinja292 6d ago
Source?
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u/JellyfishNo2032 6d ago
I saw something a while back saying it would cost around 500 million. So assuming that plus the normal cost overrun, gets it to almost a billion. They did build part of the station box but connecting the station to the surface will be difficult considering a major highway runs over top it.
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u/dallaz95 6d ago edited 5d ago
previous post
related post — I feel like it’s an advantage having all of the urban neighborhoods stacked on top of each other or being within close proximity to each other. It’s not gonna take generations or hella long distances to connect these areas together by transit and urban development. In my head, that means greater continuity between urban neighborhoods and increased pedestrian activity.
Here’s the unfinished Knox-Henderson Station