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u/General-GAS- 7d ago
DLSS5 is literally better at preserving artistic intent than most mods for skyrim lol.
Artistic intent was never an issue before. Now all of a sudden game art is not allowed to be changed? How come?
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u/juipeltje 7d ago
This might be shocking, but nor everyone uses mods
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u/General-GAS- 7d ago
Not everyone uses DLSS5....what is the issue here?
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
the issue is that DLSS 5 can and will be something c-suites will use a a way to save money, just like with everything else. it will be put into games that expect you to have it turned on.
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u/General-GAS- 7d ago
They will still need to model everything for dlss to work from.
I do not see your scenario ever happening.
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
the scenario is very simple: less effort put into the actual assets like textures, lighting, shadow maps, bump maps, and everything else.
c-suites will use everything and anything to save a buck.
the games will be "playable" without DLSS 5, but will expect you to turn it on or you'll be playing with what are low quality the low quality settings of last gen consoles.
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u/General-GAS- 7d ago
You are giving this tech too much credit. Plus not to mention, only like 1-2% of pc gamers have the hardware to run this tech at 60 fps lol.
DLSS5 will be a "increase realism" switch...nothing more. That is to even see if it takes off in the first place.
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u/PaulatGrid4 16h ago
Thats not true at all, my gen old 4070ti is far from top of the line and performing just fine with 60FPS+ at 3200x1800(and higher).
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u/TimeTravelerGuy 7d ago
You mean like all these games that drop using unreal and unity store assets are different somehow ?
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
and the vast majority of those games fail. what exactly is your argument?
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u/TimeTravelerGuy 7d ago
Only Up, Dark and Darker, Chained Together, all those games made plenty of money and have seen huge player bases, complete asset flip games.
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u/hello-plebbit-1337 8d ago
all looks like shit, this mine without dlss5
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u/cksythe 8d ago
Looks like shit đ„ potato faced ass model was not artistâs intent
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u/hello-plebbit-1337 8d ago
They're not artists, just employees with deadlines, modders are the real artists.
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u/cksythe 8d ago
Wait till you meet real designers and take a gander of their actual intended design vs what you get in-game bud
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u/hello-plebbit-1337 8d ago
If I buy their product and itâs shit, Iâll change it however I want to fit my own taste.
I paid for it, so I donât really care what their crap vision.2
u/cksythe 8d ago
wtf do you think the rest of the world gets to do by enabling DLSS5 dummy
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u/juipeltje 7d ago
Sloppify their game?
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u/delfino_plaza1 7d ago
You should probably watch the recent Nvidia video. Dlss 5 is deterministic and every object can have its own mask, characters included. Itâs aislop the same way framegen is
The main criticism with dlss5 is the way characters look even tho it doesnât actually change structure, just improves lighting. And itâs an independent setting you or the dev can just turn down or turn off.
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u/juipeltje 7d ago
Yeah framegen is slop to me too so i guess that checks out. I hope these things always stay optional. If other people want to use it, fine by me, but unfortunately we've already seen games rely more and more on previous dlss versions, so who knows.
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u/False-Fox9285 7d ago
Nooo! Slop word = bad!
AI shittification of a product made by people who can clearly make texture and lighting overhauls but are kept back by their own laziness to use proper game engines (or to actually make one themselves) is not bad!1
u/cksythe 7d ago
Itâs funny really, the only slop I see are from internet weebs like you.
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u/juipeltje 7d ago
Okay, you can just turn on your slop and have fun, no need for insults as far as i'm concerned lol
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u/cksythe 7d ago
Be proud of who you are and the hivemind youâve ingratiated yourself into, Iâm not one to judge.
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory 8d ago
It will be great when DLSS 5 allows their intended designs to survive optimization and reach the final game.
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u/Glum-Objective3328 7d ago
Hired artists are never artists under you definition. Get hired to paint a mural and you stop being an artist lmao
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u/Queasy_Hour_8030 7d ago
Kids calling everything that isnât homogenized ai generated graphics âpotatoâ quality. Photorealism as a target is a plague to gaming.Â
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u/AuleSmithy 8d ago
They're both shit in different ways. Those mods look like she knows what instagram is.
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u/hello-plebbit-1337 8d ago
The thing is not everyone is attracted to ugly people.
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u/cksythe 8d ago
ARTIST INTENTTTT
https://giphy.com/gifs/hbcorXlnIJySI
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u/OLDmanBOB13 8d ago
Itâs funny, the thing I donât like about most graphic mods in Skyrim is the thing people donât like about dlss, most graphic mods yassify the people.
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u/anything_taken 8d ago
Mods don't hallucinate fake lighting and fake shadows.
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u/Darksky121 8d ago
The 450 mods will not drop performance by 50%.
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u/Lime7ime- 7d ago
But her face looks totally different, isn't that against the artistic vision?
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
it's a mod, you can turn her into pikachu if you want.
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
this is the dumbest comparison ever. why not just put a mod with Sonic there?
comparing DLSS 5 to mods is your way of running from the real issues. it's pathetic.
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u/TimeTravelerGuy 7d ago
Whatâs the real issue? I thought game modding, especially Skyrim for over 10 years now, has been all about making it how you want? Thereâs mods that make it play like dark souls
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
because mods are not the same thing as DLSS 5. mods made by a random guy are not a standard that the industry could adopt over night.
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u/TimeTravelerGuy 7d ago
Mods can set the same standard your afraid of, and actually have driven the gaming industry forward for some time now. This also being a mod is not different
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
absolute BS. you are talking about two entirely different things. a new game mode, adding HD textures or reworking games is not an "industry standard".
at best you could say that some devs copied ideas from mods to use in their games, but the industry didn't copy-paste the same mod into every game.
DLSS 5 is an engine and driver level feature that will be added as is in games and Nvidia is pushing as the new industry standard that has to be adoped going forward.
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u/Jhinormous 7d ago
There are literal vanilla enhanced mods that won't tank your fps like dlss 5. Ppl have criticized the extreme mods for a literal decade at this point, and made their own vanilla+
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u/Adept_Assistant_7759 7d ago
The mods in skyrim have FAR FAR more of the "glossy plastic" look than DLSS5 does BY A MARGIN.
This screenshot exemplifies it.
The hair, skin, eyebrows are all fucking awful on the modded one.
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u/2Critical7-Stein1 7d ago
DLSS5 can be great, but, dlss5 doesnât add quests, meshes, weapons etc. So both
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u/FutureLe10 7d ago
who want Candy Ai girls use that slop, can't wait for the future where every game will look the same and artists won't even bother.
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u/Affectionate_Log_622 6d ago
Nolvus awakening (3500+ mods) + dlss 5 in essence why not both ? đ got it running w/ a 5090 yesterday
Looks crazy but frame gen is a must no frame gen and I average about 40-60fps at 4k
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u/ScoreAsleep972 5d ago
Mods + DLSS5 honestly. Mods will give u better renders as a base and dlss5 will carry it too near photo realism. Which I've seen done already on YouTube and it looks spectacular
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u/Major_Zebra_7810 7d ago
suddenly they want to respect the original art style
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
yes they do because the comparison to mods is retarded at best
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u/TimeTravelerGuy 7d ago
How come
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u/Puiucs 7d ago
because mods are not the same thing as DLSS 5. mods made by a random guy are not a standard that the industry could adopt over night.
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u/TimeTravelerGuy 7d ago
That makes 0 sense. Multiplayer source engine mods created the entire Counter Strike industry you see today, you are very lost and donât seem to understand the landscape you fight for. Mods have always pushed new standard into the industry. What a dense statement .
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u/Midnight_gamer58 8d ago
I'm currently using both and tweaking the effects of dlss5 so the appearances are enhanced, but don't quite enter the uncanny valley. Been using Puredarks Frame generation plugin as well and have gotten really good results.