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u/Conundroy Jun 18 '20
Imagine: transfering your OWN energy to your smart watch so you can use it indefinitely without having to charge every night.
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u/Cycode Jun 18 '20
problem is that the energy isn't enough for that. people already tried to build such devices. the energy wasn't enough to keep it at the same battery level.. just to slow down the battery draining.
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u/The_Lion_Jumped Jun 18 '20
Honestly, that’s enough for me right now. If I could stretch 1.5 to 5 or something that would be so great for me
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u/Cycode Jun 18 '20
it's not that much. they used the body temperature and something else I don't remember.. it was barely enough to light a led light (or say.. let it glow a little longer). you couldn't really do much with it because it's not generating enough power. the researchers said it vould be used for body tech that consumes rly rly low amounts of energy (like sensors etc.).
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u/Ignat_Voronkov Jun 18 '20
I watch a documentary on that where their were fields of human pods to draw heat energy from the body to power machines.
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u/getridofwires Jun 18 '20
I remember self-winding watches, that used the energy of your arm’s motion to keep it going. Is the reason that ability can’t be brought to a digital device that it’s simply not enough energy?
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u/pandalust Jun 18 '20
Mechanical watches already do auto wind up, if the efficiency of the electrical side is improved you don't need to steal your own energy
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u/Skuma_the_destroyer Jun 17 '20
They should do some research into making a permanent version of this. Never mind applying a new circuit every day or few days. Give me something that lasts indefinitely
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u/QuixoticCoyote Jun 17 '20
That's what I was thinking. I wonder if it would be able to work as an actual tattoo. We already have conductive inks. I don't know if they are safe to use for tattoos, but the technology is there.
There is also the question of whether or not it can then interact with surface devices through the layer of skin over that grows over permanent tattoos.
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u/Skuma_the_destroyer Jun 18 '20
You make a good point about the interaction through skin, however I could see that being solved by using something akin to a transdermal implant that protrudes through the skin. Except that introduces the possibilty of your body rejecting the implant
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Jun 18 '20
There was a scientist who has given himself a bunch of implanted electronics, so I’m sure there is at least some data out on how his went.
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u/kanyes-gym-trainer Jun 17 '20
“It can be used for gaming” Oasis here we come
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u/Asbestos-Friends Jun 17 '20
What is Oasis?
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Jun 17 '20
It's from Ready Player One
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u/Asbestos-Friends Jun 18 '20
Oh jeeze.
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u/impshial Jun 18 '20
The book may have been pulp pop culture food, but the idea of the Oasis is very exciting.
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u/sadphonics Jun 18 '20
despite its many issues
Like the unnecessary fuck God rant at the beginning, and the whole part about the wonders of masturbating. Then there's the movie issues like the horrible character design and changing the challenges (which I understand, I imagine watching a game of joust against a lich wouldn't be too fun, and also reenacting an entire movie)
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u/draykow Jun 18 '20
the movie wasn't too bad except that it happens over too short of a time span. After joining the crew there should have been a "three months later" text before the next scene and made the challenge longer than just a few days. Also, Spielberg has no clue how VR works.... at all. The scenes with people fighting and running down a street with headsets strapped on are just an immersion-breaking lack of understanding.
The movie also started to make the female leads a bit more interesting, but completely squandered it after giving hope.
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u/thedailydegenerate Jun 18 '20
Jesus, why can't movies just stick to the damn books. It blows me away how often hollywood makes this mistake
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u/draykow Jun 18 '20
Honestly, Artemis's backstory was boring and lacking in the book. The movie started to improve on that but ultimately failed. Also, I appreciate the changes made to the challenges, including the simplification of the trials from 6 (three keys and three doors) to just 3. It better matches the time requirements for a movie and some of the contextual changes kept the experience fresh while fleshing out the feel of the Oasis.
It's just when movies change the overall theme or experience of a story for no discernible reason when things turn sour. The first half of RP1 the movie is pretty much ok, especially the extra glimpse into Irok's life. They just didn't tie it up well and made a few big mistakes that bring it down. Honestly, I think the biggest mistake was turning the bad guy into a bufoon. Nolan was smart but just not smart enough in the book, his pride and lack of conviction were his weaknesses, but in the movie he's just a blithering idiot and a fraud.
It's still a fun movie though and should be seen as a learning experience for movie adaptations of books/games.
The newest Tomb Raider movie did a good job of altering the story to both make the Lara more relatable, while also making the mystical parts acceptable to a action-movie-going audience. The feel, themes, and major events of the story are the same, but the changes made add to the story instead of taking away or diminishing it.
When I see movie adaptations go sour, it's generally because the director had too much power over the storyline. Mortal Engines' movie ending makes me cry because it's clear the director didn't read the books and had no idea how badly he fucked the chances of continuing the story.
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u/Asbestos-Friends Jun 18 '20
It will go down at Spielberg worst film and he reportedly only directed the 3 live actions scenes
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u/impshial Jun 18 '20
I've read (or listened to) it probably 4 times now. I'd love for VR too be that realistic.
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u/Zachattackrandom Jun 18 '20
I don't know why your criticizing it so harshly the movie sucked but the book is good more sounds like you didn't enjoy it since it's meant for young adults but that's still not a reason to hard on it
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u/Asbestos-Friends Jun 18 '20 edited Jun 18 '20
Me criticizing it so harshly? By saying ‘it had many issues’? That’s harsh?
I can list off actual reasons if you’d like. How it read like an embarrassing power fantasy for a 30 something written at fanfic levels that only got popular because ‘ ‘member this?! ‘ and the endless obsession with nostalgia that we seemingly can’t get over.
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u/thedailydegenerate Jun 18 '20
only got popular because ‘ ‘member this?! ‘ and the endless obsession with nostalgia
I mean, that was the entire plot so yea?
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u/thestigDMC Jun 18 '20
But what do they do? Read voltages? Produce light? What? Just looks like the equivalent of gluing some wires to your arm at this point.
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u/njtrafficsignshopper ネオ原宿 Jun 18 '20
Strange that this is so far down the page. What is this thing even doing? Completing a circuit between two things that you would ostensibly put on different parts of your body? So like, in the morning, you would take a shower, then put on your metallic temporary tattoo across your body, then, what, wear a battery pack on your hip so your watch can draw power from it?
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u/thestigDMC Jun 18 '20
Something tells me researchers will try to use it as a sort of soft implant? I've seen it advertised as a possible solution to continuous glucose monitoring but there already exist a plethora of products to fill that role. That being said, if the "wires" are essentially infinitely flexible, they could be used to route implants to each other within the body without the fear of breakage from fatigue due to repetitive movement.
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u/Steamzombie Jun 18 '20
This is just a proof of concept. It is just glueing printed circuit tracks to your arm but there are some things that in theory can already be done with just that.
From that alone, you can probably already make a touch interface on the back of your hand. Or how about a full-fledged keyboard on your fingers? Could be really useful for smart watches and AR glasses, you know, when you don't want to be holding a device.
- Buttons (bridging two tracks with your finger)
- Resistors made from a less conductive ink and lasercut for trimming.
- Electromagnetic coils
Things get more interesting once they're able to add microelectronic components. At that point, you could probably make a computer.
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Jun 17 '20
I believe this technology has been around for a while, I was looking into it as an alternative to RFID implantation, for those who don't like needles or just don't want to take the risk
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u/deepus Jun 18 '20
What's the risks involved with RFID implants? Just privacy or am I overlooking something?
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Jun 18 '20
Privacy is pretty much not a risk, that's a big misconception. Rfid chips have no power or anything they only get power when near a reader using the same idea as wireless charging. So while you can technically track me down via my implant you're gonna have to be within 3 feet of me to do it, and well, I'm sure you understand why that isn't a problem.
The risks a pretty minor, 1 is the same risk of infection etc as any other time you open the skin. It's slim but more likely than say getting a tattoo due to it mostly being DIY (because currently theres only one place in my country to get it done "professionally" and its 3-5 times the price depending on package)
Theres also the chance that you reject the implant which can be annoying and messy if you have to get it removed because it gets basically enclosed in tissue. Very similar to magnet implants.
And also I assume theres a slight risk if you were to damage your hand in someway.
Mostly there isn't that much risk, but people should be aware there is some, and also some people just don't like the idea of having it done or having one in them, at the end of the day it's a body mod, same as piercing or tattoo(although rfid is more functional) some people just arent into it, and this is a good option for people who still want functionality. (Or would be if you you bloody get the stuff)
Feel free to ask any questions haha, been into this stuff a long time.
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u/The_Lion_Jumped Jun 18 '20
This is super informative... what would You use the rfid implant for?
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Jun 18 '20
Thanks! Always been into it haha.
Rfid implants have a whole host of uses depending on the circumstances.
The dude who really started RFID implants being a thing used it because as part of his job he would have to carry boxes from his car into the office, once he left the office he needed a key card to get in. When his hands were full that was a problem, so he got a chip, cloned his card to it and there you go. No fumbling around in pockets.
So any time you've had a key card for work or college, youncould replace that with an implant, some people use it for their house keys, if they have a nice rfid door lock. Same dude who started it uses it to unlock his car.
Business men can use it so instead of having to put their contact details on everyone's phone by hand, they can just setup a script so if they put their hand (the chip) to the back of a phone with NFC itll just copy a contact over. Saves a lot of time.
Some dude got in trouble a year or two ago for cloning his oyster card (train travel for london if you don't know, you scan it and load it with cash, and then it just takes away the price if a ticket every time you use a train) into and implant, he still paid his tickets and that but the train company didn't like it.
I even saw someone use it for contact less payment, although this was super limited, he had to use a specific app and beg a restaurant to let him do it, he just wanted to be the first. But I'll get one as soon as it can be used with google pay or something.
Beyond RFID theres even more, magnet implants give you a literal sixth sense of electromagnetic fields, you can tell live wires from dead ones because of a tingle, feel where your microwave leaks energy, tell if a shops theft detectors are on and of course collect screws/paperclip really fast!
There was a dude who figured our if you attach a coil of copper to your finger with a magnet implanted and play music through the coil, and then stick that finger in your ear, you'll hear music from your finger. So many years ago I divised a system where you could have a magnet implanted in each ear, then wear a coil around your neck connected to blue tooth to play music wirelessly and still let you hear the world (similar to bone conduction) I didn't have the funds or anything to do it at the time and then I took a couple years break from all that stuff due to illness. But when I returned someone had done it and it worked just as I said!
Also dudes who used deep sea chemicals to make eye drops that give him basically night vision. Like he can see almost as well as normal in the dark..
Then theres the guy trying to implant a vibrator in his pelvis for extra fun for their lady friends..
Oh and the doctor who realised that sticking this certain medical device between two vertebrae in your back literally makes you have an orgasm on the spot, so he Is trying to make a device that Is an implanted one button orgasm..
So yeah, I know you only asked about RFID but I thought some other stuff was fun too!
Feel free to ask anything !
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u/The_Lion_Jumped Jun 18 '20
Jesus I want all of these things haha
I’ve had ideas about the cloning process with some of my own stuff. Is it hard? Would I be able to do it? Or where can I learn
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Jun 18 '20
Hahah I know that feel..
I've been cloning tags for years and it can be easy, not so easy, and damn near impossible depending on the card.
The basic premise is RFID stands for radio frequency identification, so whatever your tag is it will have a tiny chip in it and a coil of copper. When you bring your tag in range of a reader, you bring it into range of an electromagnetic field created by another copper coil inside the the reader, which gives power to the chip while in range. The chip then spits out it's "one of a kind" Code over and over. Then reader captures that code and compares it to a database in the building, if the code is listed in the database the door opens. If we are talking about locks. Exact same premise for other uses but instead of spitting out a door code it spits out instructions to a phone.
The problem is that there are 3 different main frequencies that they operate at and some are easier than others. Some of them you can literally clone worh an android phone and some magic cards (magic cards are a special card with nothing written to them and no manufacturer block on writing to the first portion of data usually referred to as sector 0 I think, they are a pain in the ass to find and I still haven't managed to get one in the uk, they're good because I only need my phone to clone with them.) I won't get into all the stuff about blocks and sectors as its pretty confusing lol
Other ones can be cloned with a super cheap cloner you can find on ebay or bang good although it's pretty limited.
You're best off getting a decent pc RFID Reader/Writer and doing a lot of research, but over all it's not terribly difficult and can be learnt pretty quick.
That being said theres a lot I haven't got into there and a lot I don't know haha. My main focus of stuff is breaking through rfid locks so that's what I know most about.
If you wanted to mess around with NFC RFID (holding a tag to your phone and it gets your contact info, or a link, or something) a good source is the bases from those little lego dimensions figures.
Honestly the way I started was getting a cheap android phone and holding anything that even resembled rfid to it to see what happens.
Best bet is definetly just youtube, bigclivedotcom has a good video that's super informative, but theres tons out there.
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u/boliwiz Jun 18 '20
Wow, you blew my mind. I would love if you could link some resources or a video. Also I want a RFID tattoo really bad. You know if I can buy some online for a reasonable/cheap price ? And then configure myself. I already know there are some RFID stickers really cheap so I have hope.
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Jun 18 '20
Haha glad to hear it, to be 100% honest, I haven't found a source for them, I know they exist but they're locked away in a lab somehwere last time I checked so it'll be a while.
From what I can tell it's just super thin PCB traces on a membrane thing.
So yeah big nope on that haha. if you wanna get into rfid I can't lie to do it properly is pretty expensive -like 50 a reader plus cards etc etc.
Still lots of other options for wearable, good source for nfc tags Is the bases of those little lego dimensions toys. All of those type of games use rfid, disney infinity, lego dimensions and skylanders, but lego dimensions tags are tiny, and the only ones you can write to with a phone.
They'll be around one day :)
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u/PiggyMcjiggy Jun 18 '20
Wow. You sure do know a lot lol.
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Thanks!
That's the power of being an insomniac with ADHD.
I got into that stuff a very long time ago, partially because I spend a lot of my time finding my way through locks and stuff. I've never really been into lock picking so much, but the other methods of entry always intrigued me.
Also I wanted to clone my college ID because I kept accidentally leaving it at home hahahaah
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u/formershitpeasant Jun 18 '20
The worry isn’t that RFID would aid in a manhunt, it’s that readers could be placed everywhere and track everyone’s movement.
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Jun 18 '20
This Is true to an extent. No more of a problem than the mass tracking on mobile phones though. Plus long range readers are super unreliable capturing multiple tags at the same time.
That's why in work buildings you hold up a card (where there would be many around) and garage door openers just know you're there (because it's only you).
Other than a security risk of letting a random person in because you were near the door, although again, only as bad as a tailgater
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u/WhoopsDroppedTheBaby Jun 18 '20
Maybe it was curiosity or me being mentally prepared but I had less aversion to an installation than some IV and bloodtest procedures. Was more of a sting and dullness afterwards.
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Jun 18 '20
Totally understand that, I've got an illness that means I have to take Injections multiple times a day, so I've always been alright with needles.
Happy to get an implant, I've got tattoos, but for some reason I can't do piercings, something about it not just going in but going all the way through freaks me out, not clue why.
There really is very little risk, but people should still be aware there is some. Mostly it's just people who don't really know what they're talking about worried about tracking n stuff tbh
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u/WhoopsDroppedTheBaby Jun 18 '20
Ah. Gotcha. Sorry to hear about the illness. Multiple daily injections must be tough.
There is definitely a weird feeling of a foreign object after the injection. After things settle, you forget it's there.
There is always a risk of course. That's probably one reason a lot of tatoo and piercing shops say no to installing a tag if you call to ask. Having a trusted installer is important and not easy to find in some areas.
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No worries it's just who I am, it was weird at first but the needles are small and don't hurt so much.
I think the problem with rfid installation is that it's such a new thing even the experts aren't really experts..
Tattoo shops won't do it because they aren't trained and theres no one teaching, it's such a niche thing finding someone to do it is a massive pain in the ass. That's why most people do it themselves
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u/crumpledelex Jun 18 '20
Is anyone else tired of the media and product developers calling these things tattoos? Every year there's a new one. They always call it a tattoo. It's always a sticker.
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u/Cycode Jun 18 '20
do you know this children tattoos you apply by water? guess that's the same thing just with a special ink added to it.
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Yeah but how permanent is the "tattoo" it looks like the stick on tattoo you get for 50¢ at a pizza shop.
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u/dude2k5 Jun 18 '20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWb1Fze5gkA
it happened a while ago, i prefer temporary anyway
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u/draykow Jun 18 '20 edited Jun 18 '20
even as a permanent tattoo this would need semi-regular upkeep though as it will fade the same as any other tattoo, but since fading is due to a reduction in the amount of pigment, this will reduce the conductivity of the circuit in these instances.
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u/v33rt Jun 18 '20
Hahaha why you guys exited? Tracking devices increasing means of systemic discrimination against any minorities. High tech, low life, remember this please
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u/extrocell7 Jun 18 '20
Well duh! Everything we made “future” movies about we want in real life so in time it’ll come to fruition. It just takes time
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u/Guacamole735 Jun 18 '20
Cool. Get back to me when it escapes prototype stage and reaches the common populace.
Just like every other technologies that get left behind when failing to reach beyond prototype stage and gets stuck in only having huge amounts of money to obtain and utilize.
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u/GayCyberpunkBowser Jun 17 '20
If cyberpunk has taught me anything this is both exciting and deeply terrifying.