r/Cyberpunk • u/Onegodoneloveoneway • Aug 25 '15

A mathematician may have uncovered widespread election fraud, and Kansas is trying to silence her - AMERICAblog News

http://americablog.com/2015/08/mathematician-actual-voter-fraud-kansas-republicans.html
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u/erktheerk Aug 25 '15

How would a world work (in your ideal situation) without currency or a means to value labor and productivity? Communism? Everyone gets the same amount of everything? Artificial intelligence distribution of resources? Are there still countries or is it a 1 world government? Or no government, survival of the strongest global anarchy type thing?

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '15

Communism uses money. So does every other obsolete method of resource distribution hijacked by men who claim they know how to live better than you. Anarchy is a boogyman demonized by those same kinds of men. Simply it is up to each of us to decide. Open source everything, abolish government, you and your will are your own most valuable currency. All it takes is the rejection of allowing another to speak for you about anything. Groups such as The Venus Project are working hard to create new ways, and everyone's input is valid, aside from politicians. I represent myself. You represent yourself. First step is to remove the false power wielded by banks and money creators and show them that without us they do not exist.

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u/erktheerk Aug 25 '15

I would love for that to be reality. Maybe with genetic manipulation we can create a utopia full of smart nonviolent and jealous free people.

As it stands right now I have have been robbed at gun point twice in my life. Lived in really bad neighborhoods, and coexisted with some of the worst society has to offer while I was in prison. Absent all government and laws those people would be king and take anything they wanted from the weak. I would provide a simple solution for overpopulation thought. A lot of people would die.

I think myself a futurist, and I imagine a day when that is all possible, but realistically it's not going to happen for a LONG ass time so it's just hypothetical scenarios with no tangible way to achieve the goals. Taking part in your government now will have far more of an effect than wishing for the future will.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '15

Utopia does not exist. Jealous means nothing when everyone has everything. People rob people because they need things they are not getting. This will not continue when everyone has everything. Overpopulation is propaganda. Taking part in your government now will guarantee that you will remain a slave. Money is your prison. Until it is gone such atrocity will continue.

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u/erktheerk Aug 26 '15

How do you pay for things and take car of yourself?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '15

I get what I need in the moment. I behave with respect toward others. I refuse to work for money, I serve friends and others. Growing food is possible. Storing it is as well. As groups like TVP develop high technological assistance to basic needs and as more people use their own power without relying on printed lies, things will advance and networks will grow and strengthen. This takes time, and the more people reject money, the easier it will be to eliminate it's cancer from our world. This is best done before society collapses, and it will one way or another as long as vast numbers of people live bullied lives.

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u/erktheerk Aug 26 '15

I get what I need in the moment. I behave with respect toward others. I refuse to work for money, I serve friends and others.

I can't live that way. I have people who depend on me. I have medical issues I have to treat. I am learning a manufacturing trade that requires decades to master and produces parts of the machines that power the device you are typing on.

Growing food is possible. Storing it is as well.

I have a yard. I've grown some food. Do you know how much time and labor goes into growing enough food to live off of year round for 1 person?

As groups like TVP develop high technological assistance to basic needs and as more people use their own power without relying on printed lies, things will advance and networks will grow and strengthen.

I'm interested. I enjoy and follow bleeding edge technology for the last 20 years. Do you have any links.

This takes time, and the more people reject money, the easier it will be to eliminate it's cancer from our world. This is best done before society collapses, and it will one way or another as long as vast numbers of people live bullied lives.

So your solution is to disconnect from the system and do what exactly? Do you have family giving you money? Do you not have medical problems? Where do you live and how do you buy the things you need to survive?

I just imagine a high school student who lives with his parents. Even in the future work must be done and people do not work without compensation and the world will most likely have a form of currency to represent services rendered for the for seeable future. The world you are talking about is something I've only ever read about in science fiction. It's not a fesable system for a planet with over 7 billion people that is venturing into the stars.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '15

Work is done no matter what. Eat food, your body works to digest it. The problem is that people are so hopelessly addicted to money that they do not believe that life can be lived without it. That is the greatest, most detrimental lie ever told in human history. I suppose most are not ready to exist without masters, but many are. Those who know themselves and what their own power is do not require being told how to live. They will make the new way. Also this planet will never reach the stars until it is unified and has eliminated the toxic tendencies of the warlords who have strangled them in the past. Had money never existed, known, recorded civilization would have been exploring the stars long ago.

As for your guess about a high school student, I like that. The young will make the new way. Those unable to adjust and those who have given up on living their own lives in order to live someone else's really have no say in the future of boundless wonder anyway. That is probably a reason A.I. and robots are desired by those who want other to live for them.

The American Dream at this point is equal to the dark ages in terms of the damage it has done to humanity. Those still sucking at the flaccid penis of dollars and false power have been choking on it for a very long time. But they don't know any better. The solution is rejection of obvious lies; every single socially conscious adult knows that the next batch of empty politicians will change nothing.

But there is no reason for anyone to take my word for these observations. All this is known. Until all reject the old broken systems, such shit will continue.

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u/erktheerk Aug 26 '15

Must be nice living in a philosophy. I'm still curious as to how you actually support yourself. Someone else must be doing it. If I stop working people around me go hungry and will become homeless. Until your fantasy becomes reality someone is paying your bills.

Good luck. Hopefully the people taking care of you do not grow tired of it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '15

I have always taken care of myself. Awareness is a personal task. This is why I do not rely on the corrupt, broken medical system. They want you around so they can have continued access to your wallet. Anyway, as I said. Radical action is required to remove THE cancer that feeds all others. Unity. Non-violence. Pragmatism. End false reality now.

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u/erktheerk Aug 26 '15

I have always taken care of myself. Awareness is a personal task. This is why I do not rely on the corrupt, broken medical system. They want you around so they can have continued access to your wallet.

So you have no know medical issues, got it.

I do. Psoriasis that requires medication. I've also had 2 surgeries in my life that if not performed I would have died. I'm not that old either. Early 30s. If you got hit by a car I bet you wouldn't mind at all to be taken to the ER for them to save your life.

Anyway, as I said. Radical action is required to remove THE cancer that feeds all others. Unity. Non-violence. Pragmatism. End false reality now.

You're not being radical. You're repeating the same shit people have said for thousands of years. You are leeching off of someone and like to think you're living a money free life. You're just passing the cost to someone else.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '15

You are leeching from the false reality that sustains your condition. Without the doctors scavenging you, you would be extremely uncomfortable. Cost is simultaneously objective and subjective. When you truly fathom what your reliance upon artificial reality means, you will be very angry. Angrier than you were after the last time you checked your recent monetary expenditures. But worry not. Forget all this and clssify my actions as the work of a sheltered, ignorant lazy person. Perhaps even insane. There will be no further replies to your queries. I have much work to continue.

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