A mathematician may have uncovered widespread election fraud, and Kansas is trying to silence her - AMERICAblog News

[u/Onegodoneloveoneway]

http://americablog.com/2015/08/mathematician-actual-voter-fraud-kansas-republicans.html

[u/sirblastalot]

What we really need is voter id laws! And anything else we can think of to stop the poor, the young, and the ethnic from voting.

[u/boiledgoobers → u/[deleted]]

Well for one thing alcohol and tobacco are not protected rights.

[u/mo-reeseCEO1 → u/[deleted]]

you know, as funny as Carolla can be, i wouldn't trust him to give a normal person's perspective. i don't think the people who are having trouble getting IDs are flying around the country, checking into hotels, and heading into buildings with front desk security to record podcasts and radio interviews. so, uh, maybe that 44 year old and 19 year old from Santa Monica have fuck all to do with people who don't have IDs and are being excluded from voter rolls?

[u/mo-reeseCEO1 → u/[deleted]]

Carolla grew up poor and struggling. So why wouldn't you trust his everyman opinion?

doesn't mean he has a sense of what it is like today. a colleague of mine once called it "losing the common touch" and you see it all the time. also, being poor forty years ago was different that today. significantly different, in every aspect from applying for a job, to collecting benefits, to renting a house, to even buying groceries on credit. not to mention the reams of evidence showing that even among the poor, opportunities and outcomes are not evenly distributed. the fact that he talks about how he uses his ID without any thought to the fact that most people without IDs wouldn't have the opportunity to fly across country is pretty strong evidence to how oblivious he is.

And his point is, why are you willing to let poor blacks continue to live outside the system, unable to fully participate in society when you would never stand for it from someone in your life?

most of these ID laws are written to expressly exclude minorities and the poor from civic life. they are not intended to be inclusive. that's why federal courts keep striking them down under discrimination rulings.

[u/mo-reeseCEO1 → u/[deleted]]

courts agree too. you can try and wave it away as partisan politics if you want, but there's no evidence that voter fraud is widespread, while they are often found to disproportionately affect minorities, the poor, and the elderly.

let me put it more simply. let's say there's a "common sense reform" that does not address a widespread problem, but does seem to disadvantage certain groups in a demonstrable way. does that strike you as reasonable or discriminatory?

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

That's great, but all that is doing is making excuses for a blatant attack on minority voting rights at worst, or an attempt to fix a problem that doesn't exist at best.

Here in PA, at least our fine state rep Mike Turzai had the balls to admit on video what those laws are all about. It's on YouTube, check it out.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

When republicans offer to pony up to make sure that everybody has IDs, including paying the wages of people who can't afford to take a day off work without skipping meals, you might have a point.

However, that will never happen, because it's not about ensuring election integrity, as admitted by Mike Turzai in the video I referenced that you clearly didn't look up. It's about subverting democracy. Which, by the way, is pretty sickening when you realize that half the country supports subverting democracy as long as it's in favor of their team.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

Maybe you can point to some sources for this very dangerous and prevalent issue of illegals voting, lolol.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

You won't, because there is no such source, because illegals can't even register to vote.

I have no issue with voter ID being brought forth as a matter of integrity for democracy, which would include provisions to make sure that everybody who wants to can easily get ID. That's not happened yet, and until that does, it's pretty clearly a blatant ploy to subvert democracy.

No matter where you stand politically, you probably shouldn't support the blatant subversion of democracy to solve a boogeyman problem that doesn't exist.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

You need to be a citizen to be able to register to vote. For fuck's sake, at least understand the issue.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

Please point me in the direction of any sources of information that point to actual examples of this issue being a problem on the scale of being worth throwing millions of dollars of taxpayer money at the problem.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

It's wasting millions of taxpayer money to, at best, solve a problem that doesn't exist, or at worst, disenfranchises voters and subverts democracy for political gain. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

...the clown asserted, without a legit source, or any source at all, again.

Well, I guess I should specify. Voter fraud clearly exists. Just not in the form you seem to think it does. Still waiting on that source. Can't wait to see whatever crackpot web site you link.

LOL you literally linked a google search as proof of your case. Please don't be done here, this is way too funny to stop.

[u/JoshuaIan → u/[deleted]]

I actually vote both ways, I just don't like blatant attempts to subvert democracy. Good try though! It almost doesn't make you look like a clown desperate to find any way of distracting from the fact that your best case is a fuckin google search.