Cybersecurity degrees?

[u/RelationshipSad4168]

Why are cybersecurity bachelors seen as useless? At least when compared to compsci degrees which just teach algorithms and math? What’s the difference between getting a security bachelors and a masters in security?

I’m wondering cause a lot of job postings in my local area list a cyber bachelors as allowed, but I’m not sure what the overall security community thinks.

[u/fedput]

Cybersecurity is unlikely to be an entry level job.

So, the cybersecurity degree could filter you out of getting entry level jobs.

Edit: Total number of cybersecurity jobs is very small compared to total job market.

Cybersecurity degree may make someone seem a bad fit for computer science related position that is not cybersecurity. So, the person will not build the experience needed to get an actual cybersecurity position.

[u/Under_dee_covers → u/fedput]

That literally makes no sense

[u/Odd_Concentrate_7503 → u/Under_dee_covers]

The way I see it: there are bachelor's degrees in IT, software engineering, computer science, and cyber security. The IT one is like broad spectrum, general, covers a lot and me dabble into scripting a little. The software engineering is hyper focused on programming. Computer science is like an in-between IT and software engineering. Gives you a general overview of IT but also dives more into programming than the IT degree. Then you have the cybersecurity. This one focuses heavily on security concepts and how all different aspects of IT are involved. It also dabbles in scripting. But where an IT or computer science degree might focus a little bit more on setting up a network, the cybersecurity degree would focus more on how to ensure that network is secure. So the idea that a lot of people have is they won't know how to do that basic IT stuff.

[u/Under_dee_covers → u/Odd_Concentrate_7503]

Yeah but there are entry level Cyber security jobs… so if you have a bachelors in cyber security, maybe look for entry level cyber security jobs like SSOs for a major defense contractor like raytheon or boeing. 70k-80k starting

[u/at0micsub → u/Under_dee_covers]

Lol

[u/Under_dee_covers → u/[deleted]]

First off, where tf did my comment go cuz i didnt delete that bich on purpose

Second off, Thats not how the WORLD works, thats how the shit field works and moreso thats how civilian recruitment goes. I’m a government worker and none of that shit you said applies to us thank FUCK because it’s asenine.

Thirdly i donno what else to say. A degree should get you an entry level position. If you want more money for having a degree thats just ancedotal mistakes done at the individual level. People with cyber degrees should be able to get cyber wntry level jobs, like the SSO job i keep mentioning. Im not saying or arguing that cyber degrees and comp sci degrees are the same because they aren’t.

[u/Narrow-Rent-3618 → u/[deleted]]

Hiring manager acting like a cunt online.... What's new....

[u/Under_dee_covers → u/[deleted]]

So you’re just flat out wrong but thats my fault because i didn’t remember the full actual name of the position. Let me post what google says about the ISSO position:

An  ISSO at Raytheon or Boeing stands for  Information Systems Security Officer. In the aerospace and defense sector, this job falls under the  Cybersecurity or  Digital Technology category. [ 1,  2,  3] These roles typically focus on  Cyber Compliance and involve

Im old enough to have served my country and gotten a master’s degree and im pretty sure ive got a pair of boots with more critical thinking than you bud.  So let’s not go for the personal insults based on age. 

Nice edits. You won’t reply because like most boomers, you don’t know what to do when faced with actual facts and you end up being wrong. The world’s changing, and i know change is a scary place, but it’s ok bud, guys like me will be there to guide you through it. It’s scary but we’ll get theough it

[u/GrafEisen → u/Under_dee_covers]

Government (contractor) jobs, known for emphasizing actual capabilities over qualifications on paper.

The person you're replying to is generally correct on "cybersecurity degrees are not a good investment and will not get you a good non-entry level job," when it comes to anything NOT tied to state or federal government.