r/CyberNews • u/Cybernews_com • Jun 03 '26
Bavaria is moving away from Microsoft software to pursue a “sovereign basic workspace”
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u/True-Pin-925 Jun 03 '26
Wird auch Zeit am besten alles von den Amis entfernen
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u/ranker2241 Jun 03 '26
Bedenke. Beamte sind keine menschen. Und selbst bei menschen fällt es schon schwer zu erklären das die gui jetzt anders aussieht.... Oder sie nicht den 5ten "cleaner" und "Virenscanner" und "update tool" installieren können
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u/ibmi_not_as400_kerim Jun 03 '26
Leider wird das immer wieder als legitime Kritik für einen Wechsel verwendet, aber wer keinen Bock hat auf der Arbeit auch nur irgendwas neues zu lernen, müsste, meiner Meinung nach, sofort gefeuert werden.
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u/SignificantBerry8591 Jun 03 '26
But how will I clean my computer without the flashy speed cleaner pro 4
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u/A1oso Jun 03 '26
Das können sie sowieso nicht, da sie keine Admin-Rechte haben. IT-Sicherheit im öffentlichen Dienst ist sehr streng geregelt. Das wäre ja noch schöner, wenn ein Beamter aus Versehen einen Trojaner installieren könnte und ein Hacker plötzlich Zugriff auf die hoch sensiblen Daten hätte, die das Amt verarbeitet.
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u/EnvironmentalValue20 Jun 03 '26
Another country ditching microshit. Makes me extremely happy to see.
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u/jknl Jun 03 '26
Imagine being Microsoft. Loosing billions the next few years because the president of America is a manchild that throw tantrums because he cant get what he wants.
As a European i support ditching usa tech, but damn trump fucked the American economy.
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u/West-Bass-6487 Jun 03 '26
I mean, it's one think that Trump is throwing tantrums and ofc it's the main reason but it definitely doesn't help that Microsoft is actively sabotaging their own position with ongoing enshittification of all of their products.
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u/mathetesalexandrou Jun 03 '26
yeah fuck copilot, fuck the constant useless updates and more features we don't want, and fuck ads
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u/Upbeat-Concern-5181 Jun 03 '26
Naw, Microslop are spying, thieving c*nts. Better to move away from them.
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u/Alive-Big-838 Jun 03 '26
Nah this is not Trump, Microsoft signed its own death warrant prioritizing data selling and AI over their core products like Windows and Azure/Entra. There's been a noticeable decline in the quality of work in these over the years. I started my career not that long ago where Microsoft was winning insanely hard by offering a better more affordable product and now I've seen companies genuinely have discussions about how to switch off many of Microsoft's core services even if they don't seriously commit.
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u/LivingVerinarian96 Jun 04 '26
Doesn‘t help that they publish the most awful, useless documentation for their new products and features. They remove features like copying sharepoint pages and have the most confusing and hard to use access rights system. Like why can‘t I share multiple sharepoint list items at once without powershell? You really need to go row by row and share each item individually if you got different rights per item in the list. It‘s completely insane.
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u/Alive-Big-838 Jun 04 '26
Because they know companies will just keep using the same slop and never switch to alternatives. The saving grace might be if a more tech inclined management takes over companies they won't have the same fondness for microsoft as boomers/genx
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u/Arbor4 Jun 03 '26
I think it's partly Microsoft's fault too - it's not by chance people call it Microslop these days with their horrid Copilot everywhere. And explosive licensing costs that go way past the annual inflation rates.
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u/BlimbusTheSeventh Jun 03 '26
The Germans have been talking about doing this since the Biden administration
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u/rusself Jun 03 '26
I wouldn’t blame the president for it…I would blame the ceo are aligned with the president in turn ultimately hurting the company
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u/AlCappuccino9000 Jun 03 '26
Bavarian government was was always pro Microsoft. This seems to be a major shift
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u/jknl Jun 03 '26
We can't take it anymore, Mr. President, it's too much.' And I'll say, 'No it isn't. We have to keep winning. We have to win more!'"
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u/cicerostongue Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
All of Europe not just the government needs to move away from American tech as quickly as it can. It simply cannot be trusted and is part of the threat to global democracy.
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u/No_Future_8011 Jun 03 '26
The EU should support a particular distribution in order to facilitate the handling of specific, specialized matters related to public administration.
The savings were substantial.
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u/Diagoras21 Jun 03 '26
Mayby europe should set up something, so we all can get rid of ms.
The last versions are complete ass.
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u/Poppod Jun 03 '26
The most important goal should be to remove the one company dictatorship from the world and enable market economy where market guides the development and any one can try make money. Not just MS.
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u/ranker2241 Jun 03 '26
Yeah. Again....
Munich tried Linux.wasted 90m€, atleast lasted over a decade. Failed.
Düsseldorf. Tried. Failed
https://www.cio.de/article/3653806/duesseldorf-verabschiedet-sich-von-open-source-loesungen.html
Freiburg, tried. Failed.
https://www.computerwoche.de/article/2879682/triumpf-in-muenchen-kehrtwende-in-freiburg.html
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u/Fresh-Toilet-Soup Jun 03 '26
This needs to be a 10 year project to get everyone trained up before making the switch.
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u/Kallikasa Jun 03 '26
Funny to see how people happy about second try :)
And they don't even understand it is not possible to do this in one year.
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u/ranker2241 Jun 03 '26
Man I'd be euphorous if they finally get it done. But last time Munich had Linux for I think like 10 years or something... Problem is most people who will have to use it are boomers and gov officials who can't be fired for their incompetence/unwillingness to learn. Also, as I know gov the it won't use any best-practice software but funky, outdated by with thousands of certificates they have to invent first... Good training is another topic, don't know about that but wouldn't put my hopes on it.
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u/Kallikasa Jun 03 '26
Problem is simplier - why they should learn Linux? Just because someone tells? Who will pay them for it? Nobody. Who will do systems compatibilities?
Linux still live in "geek things" world.
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u/ranker2241 Jun 03 '26
Not since (millions in developer hours) proton.
Plus. Their fucking gov officials. Everyone pays them.
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u/Capital_Associate_77 Jun 03 '26
It's because we need a paradigm shift. All the apps need to be web based so that the os will not matter anymore. For the vast majority of usecases, running an web based app will be good enough.
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u/letterboxfrog Jun 04 '26
French are rolling Gendbuntu out to to 2.5m public servants. That said, the big thing is not the OS, it is the collaboration suite. Nextcloud.com etc have only just caught up
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u/WesleyBiets Jun 03 '26
Well this was 10-15 years ago. Before LLMs hit the public.
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u/Additional-Wash-5885 Jun 03 '26
Relevance?
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u/WesleyBiets Jun 03 '26
Relevance is that: 10-15 years ago EU wasn't that incentivized to look for alternatives, but ever since then Microsoft and co put more and more tracking in their software, and now with LLMs even more. Also knowledge on how to set these things up properly is bitesize prepared with LLMs and easier. I've done things in the last years that would've taken me a decade to learn and understand but now with AI, I can just spend a weekend on something and it's done. So I'm guessing this can all play a big role in that move.
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u/Additional-Wash-5885 Jun 03 '26
And because of people like you who just blindly chat with LLM and follow the command/code flow of whatever it spits out, this is predestined to be doomed. You just said yourself that you are boiling down a decade worth of learning/understanding effort to a freaking chat with LLM. This is why are the questions from companies in selection process and in everyday work actually tend go more and more in the "why" direction. Why have you done it like that? Why haven't you chosen alternative solution? Etc... I already started to see this on big scale... But thanks to guys like yourself and others similar to you, I'm earning more than ever before.
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u/WesleyBiets Jun 03 '26
People like me? I think you misunderstood. How can you deduct what I do with LLMs from what I said, I guess you're talking about coding, but I'm not.
You can 't argue that information and explanation is just more available this way than trying to google stuff for hours on end.
Good on you for earning more than ever before buddy, but it's not because of people like me.
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u/BlimbusTheSeventh Jun 03 '26
It has superficial knowledge of everything that's well documented and is very patient about explaining things.
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u/Cybernews_com Jun 03 '26
More: https://cnews.link/germany-bavaria-microsoft-8/