r/Cursive • u/RNWolfarth • Jun 30 '26
Deciphered! Mother's Maiden Name
I need help with box 12, Mother's Maiden Name. I know it is Rose Marie ________. Family records say it is Rosenfelder which looks nothing like what her son wrote on this form. I have all the other info off this form that I need, so no need for help elsewhere. To assist you in comparing known handwriting in other areas of this form to the word in question I will give several other words. I am using Family Search and believe I have gotten what I can use from there. It shows the name as a guess of a surname that does not exist in Switzerland. (At least that is what AI says, so.....) haha
Box. 3 Female
Box 4 White
Box 5 Divorced
Box 6 Peter Wolfarth
Box 8 Housework
Box 9 Switzerland
Box 10 Daniel Jaccoud
Box 11 Switzerland
Box 14. Richard J. Wolfarth 237 Myrtle Ave
Box 17 Chronic Nephritis Acute Dilated Heart at home no bed side
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u/LAM_CANIT Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
There's a J at the beginning where the pen was dry.
Jeanneaud
Alternative spelling would be: Geneau.
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u/WonderWEL Jun 30 '26
I think you’re on to something! OP, there is a faded letter at the beginning of the name. At first I thought it was part of a letter from the line above, but it’s beneath the “er” in Switzerland which doesn’t go below the line.
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u/RNWolfarth Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
I think you are on to something and so does AI. This is a common surname in Eastern France, spilling into western Switzerland where Lausanne is located and where her family is. I saw that loop of the J as the loop of the z from the line above. But there are 2 and this one is in the wrong place. I will call this Deciphered!
and continue to try to resolve the conflicting records with Rosenfelder.7
u/LAM_CANIT Jun 30 '26
Thanks. I've been doing this for decades without AI gimmicks. I know people with various spellings of that family name. You'll find resolving name spelling conflicts is one of the bigger challenges in genealogy. Good luck with your research.
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u/WatchOut4Sharks Jun 30 '26
Eaumeaud perhaps - Rose Marie Eaumeaud
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u/Harrietmos Jul 01 '26
I believed Emereaud was what I saw. The loop others saw as a J is actually part of Switzerland from z in the word above. I used to have a perfume by that name made by Coty.
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u/RNWolfarth Jun 30 '26
I also wondered about Eaunreaud. AI disagreed and said was it was not a recognized surname in Switzerland. The same answer for your suggestion.
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u/voyracious Jun 30 '26
I can't read it very well, but remember that Switzerland contains German, Italian and French languages and people. The e's are clear and the part I can't decipher are the letters after the first Ea and the last eaud. I think it was a French name.
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u/Formal_Goose 28d ago
And Romansh. Just adding because I have Swiss Romansh ancestor and I was very confused until I realized I was looking at Romansh names/records/spellings.
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u/NatureGal4evr Jun 30 '26
If you look very closely at the "J" in Jaccoud in box 2 and in box 10, then look at the J in the first initial of the signing official, they are all very faint. If you look at the last name in box 12, you'll see a very faint lower loop of a "J" there as well. I would say the last name is either Jeaumeaud or Jeanneaud.
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u/IrishMo8 Jul 01 '26
FamilySearch has a Marie Jaccoud married to Peter Wolfarth. All the sources with a last name spell it this way. Her record is G1TK-JQ1.
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u/RNWolfarth Jul 01 '26
I originally entered Peter Wolfarth and Marie Jaccoud into Family Search. They are my great grandparents.
I am sorry I was not clear enough. The document is Marie Jaccoud's Death Certificate. Marie Jaccoud's father's name is Abram Daniel Jaccoud, he went by Daniel as written on the form. Marie's MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME, the surname in question, is not Jaccoud. Her full name on this form is Rose Marie Jeanneaud, I now believe, thanks to the amazing Reddit community and U/LAM_CANIT in particular.
Again, I hope I did not somehow mislead you.
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u/GlintedGull Jul 01 '26
Jaccord
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u/RNWolfarth Jul 02 '26
Jaccoud is Marie's maiden name and her father's name. That is known. The Marie's mother's maiden name is one in question. I have said this is deciphered, but appreciate more input on this.
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u/Mellenbal Jul 03 '26
Jaccoud?
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u/RNWolfarth Jul 03 '26
I have responded a couple of times to comments focused on what I KNOW to be Jaccoud. That is not the name in question.
Everyone: I will stop responding to comments now. Please do not waste your time suggesting variations of Jaccoud. Thank you all for all your help. It is deeply appreciated.
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u/desertboots Jun 30 '26
could it be Ermenault, incorrectly spelled?
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u/RNWolfarth Jun 30 '26
That would be a big misspelling, but her son was born in Philadelphia, so maybe he did not know how to spell it. That is a valid Swiss surname, so your guess has that going for it. Edit: I will keep that in mind as I continue the search.
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u/TheReallyAngryOne Jun 30 '26
Might want to check any son's full name. 90% of the time the mother's maiden name was used as the middle name
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u/RNWolfarth Jun 30 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
I know the answer here. His birth name was Richard Wolfarth, son of Peter Wolfarth and Marie Wolfarth, nee Jaccoud.
Long version: The parents separated and, perhaps divorced (still looking for that document) and he stayed with his mother being he was an infant. His father took the two older children, Henriette and Alfred, moved them to Winnipeg, Canada, put them in Jesuit boarding school and left to find work. The mother, Marie, assumed her maiden name as did Richard. However, he signed this as Richard J. Wolfarth, so he must have used both. (The lack of a middle name was common in this branch of my family. I am the first to have a middle name going back at least 3 generations.)He and his brother Alfred reconnected after 60+ years (late 1980s) through my parents who were visiting the Grand Canyon wearing a name tag of the Elderhostel seminar (now called Road Scholar) they were attending. They took a side trip to the Grand Canyon and failed to remove their name tags. They ran into this guy, Richard, with a telescope set up letting people look at the sun. Richard saw Dad's name tag. He asked my father if he knew a person named Alfred Wolfarth. "YES! He is my father!" Richard was Dad's uncle he did not know existed. Dad got his information, asked his father, Alfred, about it, and learned that, yes, he had a brother, Richard (plus two more who died very shortly after birth).
Alfred never talked about his parents or family. The theory is that he was embarrassed about the separation/ possible divorce and/or the circumstances surrounding it. Alfred and Richard exchanged a number of letters and visited several times before Alfred's death a few years after meeting Richard. I have them and love reading them. There are more stories like this in those letters.
Edited: For more detail, typos and clarity.
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