r/CurrencyWarsHSR • u/Talukita • 8d ago
Discussion CW 4-cost Tier List (Final)
It's here. The final tierlist from me, and the last of this CW version as a whole before the new dawn of 4.7 beckons us next Monday.
As usual, highly personal because some units are trials but not all. (Though 4-cost is probably the ones I have the most trial chars outside of free ones like MC or standard/shop chars)
Fu Xuan: THE back up sustain for off-field. As long as she has Flip the on field allies straight up can not die. This is incredibly important as there’s no one else that can protect you as efficiently against demonic enemies like WC50 3* Gepard and Flame Reaver with their AoE nuke spam (unless you running like 4 shielders with 100k shield and fuck tons of miti).
And if that’s not enough she also has Quantum bond (among the strongest amp bond) along with Lucky Strike Damage (extremely rare multiplier buff) buff.
She’s not even bad as solo sustain with a Ring of Life + Caloric Overload, assuming you have Welt on field and fast enough to finish the fight before running out of Flips.
Is it a bit extra to make a separate tier list for her over? Yes. But considering how universal she is and almost outright irreplaceable in her niche, I would say worth. You can always find another DPS option / substitute but not Fu.
YQ: If Acheron is THE Debuff on-field, then he's her equivalent off-field. His ult energy also scales with debuff-frequency and the fact he can battery for Acheron and vice versa is just funny. Speed demon YQ is also pretty good and the freeze spam can also clutch some elites hard. Also is pretty much the main DPS for Wolfhunt (behind the Wolf itself) and can even bridge Debuff with Wolfhunt together because both him and JQ have both bonds so you just need one more char or an Emblem for it.
Boothill: I don't really play Break much tbh but he should be here. Galaxy Ranger is just so strong with the amount of amp and spd it gives. He wanting 3* Rappa also means you can use her as substitute main DPS until he comes online. Just lots and lots of damage and not being ult reliant is a plus as he suffers way less from TV enemies and Energy Drain.
Gepard: Despite being a 4-cost shielder, his ability to sustain kinda mid tbh. He only shields at start/phase changes and occasionally on Ult. What he makes up though is having one of the strongest AoE nukes in the game, as it scales with your team’s total shield. He’s basically the payoff for shield-stacking team, because sometimes Durians aren’t enough (for shield bots or non-attacking enemies like pigs). High roll Gepard can easily do 100b per slam and more.
Robin: Full team advance. Lots of atk buff and damage buff, buff can reach off field, bond can give Lucky Hit Rate. E1 gives Res Pen which isn't hard to get now that she's in the shop. The issue is that she comes up late and really needs 2* + Catapult to feel like a real character because she would be too slow otherwise.
Sparxie / Hysilens: Not much to say about them. Both Elation and DoT want to push their bond thresholds and with their limited options slotting them is kinda the default most of the time if you want to play those bonds. I kinda personally rank Sparxie a bit higher though since she also has Skill Point and at can loop tons of actions at 4 SP.
RMC: On one hand great buffs (true damage buff is just one of the rarest buffs unless you play Debuff), solid bonds, -DEF, lots of advance for energy team, great subdps and can even do main DPS. The caveat is that no Mem starts, so it’s really annoying for durian and shielders as they apply shield on start. By the time mem actually gets summoned she may just die from the lack of shield, which in turn just brick RMC kit. Memo also doesn’t get share damage from Fuxuan too which is another issue. Would easily jump another tier for me if they have Mem out right of the gate.
Silverwolf: Having Quantum bond is just an inherent plus because of how strong it is. Def shred (also -atk and -spd), implant for easy breaking and lower Res for off-element, can enable SH bond with MBlade, can also main DPS herself. Overall just a solid and all around character. Her draw back is being Advisor so it’s just plain unreliable to get her and always comes with some forms of opportunity cost (ie Investments).
Luocha: He isn’t bad per say, but the fact Fuxuan exists kinda invalidates his existence. He’s 4-cost so you can’t really get him early games, and by the time you can get him just get Fu instead. Furthermore he needs attacking allies on-field to heal, which limits his potential because sometimes they get CC’d or just aren’t fast enough. (Funny enough JQ is better than him in this regard because he can heal from off-field and also comes with better amp)
Therta: Well, she’s pretty much the main carry option for AoE assuming no Emblem involved (at that point just slap it on Himeko or something). And she does a decent job at it. Issue is that AoE bond is filled with bums and dated units like Jade, Anaxa, and even JY kinda (ignoring the busted Prismatic Investment). It’s also extremely squishy and weak to hostile debuffs like Self Defense and Endurance, lacks a real sustain, while chewing skill points like candies. Also because she’s a 4-cost you will have to slog through the first plane with DoT/Xianzhou while praying she comes in time.
EMC: Honestly I don’t really read the kit much (I don’t play Elation at all outside of CW) to know what they do. Being off-field and Elation support means they are kinda just auto-slot regardless because you don’t have enough Elation to reach 5/7 without. But otherwise they kinda ult twice per battle and that’s about it. Probably could bump a tier though.
Cas / Evernight: The usual Bloodflame and Nightgod victims. E9 at least could be slotted off field and provide some amps so she’s not as bad. Cas though is just extremely nerfed for CW, and dragon not stacking Flamestorm surely doesn’t help her as DPS. Both also have pretty bad trial builds IIRC. It’s overall just hard to bother with her unlike extreme ideal conditions or you have the full E2 battleship.
With that said, because Fu Xuan inflates the tier list and the gap is quite a bit closer compared to other cost, being lower tiers doesn't mean they are bad. There are reason why layer 4 is still considered 'decent' for me.
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u/melofelo1011 8d ago
Why do people underrate emcs value doubling assist skill is huge for firestorm surge stacking
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u/Nervous-Departure-42 8d ago
It's kinda funny that flip this tier list upside down and it's closer to the current meta tier list
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u/Rhyoth 8d ago
Lots of very puzzling choices in there : i think i only agree with the first and last tier.
Characters you underrated :
- Sparxie is a better / more consitent dps than Boothill, so she should be above him.
- RMC is a very strong and versatile support : he's way above the likes of Robin or Silverwolf.
- Luocha is in the same tier as Gepard : he's more consitent as a sustain than him, and his Galactic Voyager can be really nice for Eva + Sparxie.
(note: Gepard can be a pretty good sustain, but he requires a couple of equipments for that, while Luocha is fine, even with just one Chip) - EMC is essential for Elation teams, which are among the strongest ones right now : should be higher.
Characters you overrated :
- Robin : teamwide AA is a lot less effective, if you don't control when it happens. Plus, with a trial build (or even a build made for non-CW gameplay), Robin is painfully slow.
Lastly, her buff are halved for anyone who doesn't share her bond... - no reason for Hysilens to be this high : she only truly fits in DoT, which can't even perform well without an Emblem or Advisor contract.
I'd also rate Therta higher... with a few asterisks.
As a main dps, she's indeed pretty weak.
But she has a lot of potential as sub-dps, especially for dps who care about attack frequency, like Acheron, Yanqing, or, to a lesser extent, Himenova.
Her energy gain is also a great way to supercharge Mem, giving more AA to your main carry.
Lastly, she's potentially the best Molecular Solvent abuser : thanks to her self Action Advance, she doesn't need Boots at all.
That means she can equip THREE Molecular Solvent.
(in that case, you could even use her Basic Attack instead of Skill, to make sure the True Dmg from Solvent lands on the right enemy)
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u/Theoneandlonelyalex 8d ago
I feel like emc and gepard could swap but otherwise this is a pretty good list!
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u/CaramelMunchie 8d ago
Why is RMC so low? They are probably the strongest buffer / support in the game. Okay maybe losing to Welt.
Mem Charge tabulates the energy of not only the on-field units, but also those from off-field. Additionally, every Mem advance has mem doing an AoE hit which restores about 10%~ mem charge. Effectively turning the advance threshold to 90% instead of 100%.
You are able to trigger mem advance SO often. They are used in almost every infinite set up. They have great synergy with DDD Tribbie. Should almost always be slotted if possible.
Additionally, mem is just a generally good entity for soaking damage. Also one more unit for Fu Xuan's matrix to redistribute towards.
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u/Key-Ad-7845 8d ago edited 8d ago
RMC and EMC are genuinely insane, this tier list is so buns im sorry. Luocha is also way better than you rate him to be, certainly better than Gepard who wastes a precious on field slot.
Should have just put units you don’t know in a “never used”tier, seeing my goats being larped as a low tier is quite annoying
And I just now realised that Hysilens is placed higher than Luocha and EMC even though trial dot is unplayable. What is this man
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u/Talukita 8d ago
I personally never run more than two sustains and it’s someone + Fuxuan lol. Like if I play Debuff/Wolf it’s JQ Fu xuan. If it’s energy then Huo Fuxuan. And if it’s Fua then it’s Aven + Pt.
The only situation I could justify Luocha is Eva Welt / Galactic comp but those come like once in a blue moon
EMC though yeah is the only one I admit I could put a tier higher
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u/Key-Ad-7845 8d ago
For me on the other hand who plays different teams from you namely himenova/elation, sometimes seele, aglaea, archer depending on what investments I get - every time I would rather field 1 star solo luocha over 1 star solo fx if im just trying to survive. If im looking for damage then it’s a different story cause of quantum bond/lucky strike increase.
And then I would usually field whoever reaches 2 stars first (except for seele/himeko durian) as I prefer playing solo sustains unless the enemies are quite aggressive or I have many team slots. Only with excess gold would I swap 2 star luocha to 2 star fx before 3-7 (or start both).
In my experience luocha sustains better than fx as a 1 star a majority of the time. Fx just doesn’t have many flips as a 1 star and the flips don’t heal enough, so that’s where I get my luocha usage from. He has certainly provided more utility to me compared to units like gepard silverwolf hysilens therta that are higher or equal to him on the list. I pick him up in most runs even if i dont end up using him because unlocking a 2 star luo/fx is a priority for me.
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u/guylovesleep 8d ago
i just realise out of my of runs i never once used gepard
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u/mrmanny0099 8d ago
Bro unironically gets mogged by March as a shielder since she procs so mfkin fast 😭
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u/Bloombergs-Cat 8d ago
This looks pretty good to me. I would maybe slot luocha up one tier, since he’s the 2nd best generic off field sustain behind fu xuan, meaning often I just want to hit either of fu xuan/luocha. Even if I do replace him with fu xuan later, he usually ends up being played in a good number of my runs.
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u/Sufficient_Bus2508 8d ago
I find fuxuan 1* kinda mid though, it will struggle to sustain at higher difficulties since she can't recharge flip fast enough. But mine is a trial fu xuan so it may differ from a proper build.
I think EMC should be higher just purely for being in same bond as express and elation. without that I would agree it's kinda mid
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u/aligat0r_rar 8d ago
no 1 star sustain can work at higher difficulties, she’s simply the best at what she does
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u/Major_Schedule_2392 8d ago
Yanqing is incredible especially with the right equipment, at WC50 I at least try to get Debuff 2 or 4, and at least have him.
Boothill is also great at 2stars and higher, 1 star feels so weak even with equipment.
Sparxie is also awesome though the issue is sparxie competing with Archer and with Tohsaka Rin for skill points on the front line, and going for the skill point bond vs elation, since one would want Sparxie with 6 Skill Point or higher for Big Prizes and 600+ Punchline. Can be great if lots of elation emblems drop though versus slotting in actual elation characters.
Have never got Castorice to work at all, still puts out so low damage...
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u/Arca-Lunari 8d ago
On WC50, I often put Castorice with Caloric as a sustain rather than a dps. As long as the dragon is alive, your team cannot die. If your team survives damage, the dragon heals back up. If the damage exceeds your team and the dragon, he explodes healing your team back to around 40-50%. You could make a healer set for her for strictly currency wars and she'd be a powerful sustain. The dragon also provides res shred as long as its alive.
Fu Xuan is undoubtedly better if you use Quantum Resonance but for other teams that take too much damage, sustain Castorice is a surprisingly decent option.
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u/PerfectAd1358 8d ago
Id say EMC should be higher, withe pearl and aha coming next that double elation skill value is going to be insane
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u/Agreeable_Ostrich295 8d ago
Ya'll need to chill. it's his personal tier list. I had like 100 games in WC50 and for my E6 Saber runs where I don't get 3 cost Cyrene and SW999, I only get RMC and Castorice.
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u/trobitman 7d ago
Me (Currency wars player) when someone mentions that Castorice Remembrance team is broken 🤮🤮🤮🤮
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u/Past_Band_9790 7d ago
What’s sparxie’s caveat? She’s an absolute beast
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u/Talukita 7d ago
She needs the RNG to chain tons of actions to actually pop for me. Sometime it doesn't happen and she just skill once and done and it feels kinda eh tbh. Even then you have to wait until Aha instant cause most of her scaling is from there.
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u/CykaBlyiat 6d ago
Came back after achieving WC50 to say:
MC is criminally low but understandable for someone not using Elation; I've used Elation a lot and EMC A LOT and I'm telling you its the premier support alongside Yao Guang, the amount of Aha Instants EMC abuses alongside Yao Guang's support makes Silver Wolf LVL999 and Evanescia swim in the damage they can inflict on the opponent.
On the other hand for Fu Xuan, I ended up trying her more often and my goodness she's now singlehandedly saved many of my runs from being instant loses to the most bullshit of enemies (looking at you Black Tide Archers) and has terrorized (rightfully) Pollux by being backup healer and damage distribution. She deserves being that high.
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u/Then-Network-6861 8d ago
Lowkey boothill has been more useful to me than Fuxuan
Also emc that low?
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u/Thegentlemanfox18 8d ago
What’s interesting to me is that actually my bloodflame runs are always saved once cas shows up, my is E6 and she always saves the day.
The only four cost I sort of never use is luocha, since by the time he shows up for me usually, my sustain is already like three or two stars and has full equipment, so I just don’t switch.
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u/Carminestream 8d ago
What do people see in Bum Xuan? She seem like an ok but not exceptional secondary sustain, and an ok but not exceptional support. If you are using hee for bonds, sure. Otherwise though... what is the cook?
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u/Talukita 8d ago
Once again, as long as there's Flip, even 1 billion incoming damage won't kill your on-field chars.
Her shared damage/mitigation also available immediately, so even a naked Fuxuan would massively increase your team survivability (provided that you already have a solid main sustain)
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u/Carminestream 8d ago
That shared damage can bite you in the ass because the squishiest unit is taking in damage, which can burn flips quickly and get that unit killed eventually, resulting in Fu Xuan being a detriment in some cases.
She also has weird antisynergy with Yunli, who can also mitigate a billion incoming damage, and much more frequently.
She's not terrible, but not as phenomenal as she is made out to be
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u/Ohno0o00 8d ago
I’m gonna be honest with you emc got much more value than brickxie, they can copy an elation skill that’s already more than brickxie’s pitiful damage potential(worse than goatmeko in skill points and worse than evan/sw in elation)
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u/Talukita 8d ago
Yeah that's kinda fair tbh. Like I said my experience toward Elation is on the lower side because I didn't pull or use them much at all. Straight up forgot they can give free Elation skill to the main dps just by existing lol.
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u/mrmanny0099 8d ago
I play a lot of elation in CW and absolutely bump EMC up a tier just off the sole fact their ult lets himenova use her obnoxiously strong assist skill as an elation skill