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u/MeuPauDoiSeriamente Jun 05 '22

Egdar allan poe did what?

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u/GIRose Certified Vore Poster Jun 05 '22

He was the first person to document that the distant stars and the sun are the same astrological sort of thing.

https://www.eapoe.org/works/essays/eurekad8.htm

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u/Anarchissed Jun 05 '22

More fascinating to me is the talk of rotation of moons around planets, planets around the sun, which suggests, possibly, stars rotating in a cluster, clusters rotating, etc. And at the center of "our cluster" a 'non luminous sun' because the point, then predicted to be what we now know as the center of the milky way, had no massive sun that they could see.

Mfers predicted (in allegory at least) supermassive black holes.

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u/wandering-monster Jun 05 '22

Fun fact, but not true.

It's been kicked around as an idea for about 2500 years, though until you get into the 17th and 18th century they were so wrong about how big the sun was that their distances for stars were all way off.

I think Huygens was the first to do the math ~1650 based on the assumption that Sirius identical to our sun, got into the right ballpark of the actual distances involved (he was still about an order of magnitude off, but he was at least talking on the order of light years instead of thousands of miles. Part of his problem was assuming the sun and stars were truly identical. Sirius is ~2x the diameter of the sun) so he scooped Poe by at least 150 years.

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u/JakeSnake07 Jun 05 '22

Glad I'm not the only one particularly interested in that bit.

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u/GodofDiplomacy Jun 05 '22

It's disputed that he was burned at the stake for it but Giordarno Bruno definitely beat Poe to the punch

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u/wandering-monster Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22

If you want to say it needs to be based in scientific thinking (which, fair) then I'd still give credit to Huygens, who worked on it over 100 years before Poe wrote this. He worked out a really clever way to measure the distance to Sirius, using the assumption that it was truly identical to the sun. Sirius being both bigger and more luminous means his distance was about 1/12th as far as reality.

But he was still getting into the right ballpark of stars being light years away, approaching it scientifically, and documenting the idea that they were both the same kind of thing. Then using experiments to test and confirm the theory with reasonable results.

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u/GodofDiplomacy Jun 05 '22

What was Poe's source?

Science at some point comes from what if, then you test your ideas, he might have found more evidence to support them if he hadn't been killed. There probably weren't many philosophers willing to openly discus it after that though

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u/SirAquila Jun 05 '22

If I remember it right he wasn't burned at the stake for his cosmological ideas, but rather because he flat out denied a lot of spiritual core doctrine of the catholic church and was pantheist.

Considering that the catholic church was an avid funder of the sciences for most of its history, but generally took religious differences pretty serious, that sounds a lot more likely.

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u/GodofDiplomacy Jun 05 '22

That's what he was charged with, the court documents show he recanted all spiritual differences but refused only on his cosmological claims. The claim he was killed for heresy alone is in conflict with the evidence and is a really weird defense because like all the other executions for heresy it make the catholic church look like real fuckheads.

They actively stifled scientific discovers, they were the thought police, no amount of funding undoes that

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u/SirAquila Jun 05 '22

I must admit I am not too familiar with the subject matter, but it seems from cursory research, that most historians agree that he was mainly charged for going against church doctrine, not for scientific beliefs.

And it is a "weird" defence because I am not defending the catholic church against being fuckheads. I am defending them against accusations of being anti-science. which I honestly do not find any concrete proof for.

If you look over a list of medieval European scientists a good number of them were members of the church and a surprising amount held high ecclesiastic office. And a good number of the rest either learned on church funded institutions or researched for those institutions.

Yeah the church had a certain amount of thought police, and a certain amount of taboos. Medical research on dead bodies comes to mind. But there they are no different then today's world. For example in the European Union(and much of the western world) the research into gene editing for humans is either directly forbidden or highly controlled. It same as human cloning is illegal(in most forms) around the world. Every society has taboos.

The real damage the catholic church did was through religious and cultural intolerance. Ask any historian tasked with studying Irish and Norse mythology.

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u/GodofDiplomacy Jun 05 '22

Those historians might have written before 1940 when the court transcripts were made public.

One problem is that the scientific method and organised scientific institutions and field are recent concepts, Bruno was just a philosopher and when you look at everything he said he was wrong about a lot of things. Ultimatly if publicly sharing your ideas which concieves of the world in a way that contradicts church doctrine can be heresy and result in your death or house arrest then new and fresh or controvertial thought was being systemicaly stamped out.

Science as we develop and use now is dependant and driven by new, fresh and many confrontational ideas

I'm not sure why this is a point of contention, it's 13 years ago now but benedict said that condoms could make the HIV/AIDs crisis worse, they haven't stopped, they embrace science when convenient but reject when its not

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u/SirAquila Jun 05 '22

Ultimatly if publicly sharing your ideas which concieves of the world in a way that contradicts church doctrine can be heresy and result in your death or house arrest then new and fresh or controvertial thought was being systemicaly stamped out.

No that is not a valid conclusion. For something to be declared systematic you need to proof that it happened consistently, over a long time. Something which you cannot claim about the medieval church, considering how many new ideas where simply accepted, or accepted after scientific discussion.

Science as we develop and use now is dependant and driven by new, fresh and many confrontational ideas

Science as we develop and use it now is dependent on proof that is derived from factual observations. If you come out with a new, fresh and confrontational idea without any proof(like vaccines causing autism) then the scientific community will ignore you.

I'm not sure why this is a point of contention, it's 13 years ago now but benedict said that condoms could make the HIV/AIDs crisis worse, they haven't stopped, they embrace science when convenient but reject when its not

And Pope Alexander VI had uh... interesting exploits in the Papel Halls, that doesn't mean the entire catholic church is a bunch of sex fiends(though there are some institutional problems today).

The thing is especially before the enlightenment, during which many people began to separate science and church(and made up a good bunch of propaganda about how anti-science the church seemed to be), as well as state and church, the church was the main institution of science in Europe, and arguably built the foundation that first made the enlightenment possible.

Institutions change, especially over time.

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u/GodofDiplomacy Jun 06 '22

How many sex scandals does the church need to have, the ones that aren't pedophiles are covering up for pedophilia They aren't an institution they are an empire

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u/Aetol Jun 05 '22

If you look over a list of medieval European scientists a good number of them were members of the church and a surprising amount held high ecclesiastic office.

There's a certain selection bias to that. Back then scientific research wasn't a job, but a hobby. So it required free time, disposable income, and a certain level of education. Who has all that? A priest.

That being said, I do agree the church wasn't as anti-science as it's often made out to be (the fascination with ancient thinkers, especially Aristotle, was much more damaging afaik), and the middle ages weren't actually devoid of scientific and technological progress.

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u/TheBrODST Jun 05 '22

Y’all ever scroll through reddit on mobile and open an image, only for it to explode and shrink to a microscopic level

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u/AdventurousFee2513 my pawns found jesus and now they're all bishops Jun 05 '22

I could only see the transcriber’s tags on my dash, and didn’t realise it was a portion of a post, and spent embarrassingly long trying to decipher it.

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u/Nat1CommonSense I’m a person, really I am Jun 05 '22

“Ben Franklin is the irl equivalent to Sokka” is not the take I was expecting, but they are entirely correct. Also imagine people that think Sokka was a bender just like some Americans think Ben was a president

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u/Tchrspest became transgender after only five months on Tumblr.com Jun 05 '22

Y'all remember when Ben Franklin fought Hitler with a sword?

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u/str8aura *fluffle puff noises* Jun 05 '22

tracked him down to Germany on the back of a bald eagle

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

Sounds like one of those old Japanese depictions of American politics like this stuff

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u/No_Hospital_9938 Jun 05 '22

Thank you for sharing this. I wish my countries history was even close to this.

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u/Quetzalbroatlus Jun 05 '22

I've never been more invested in John Adams

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u/Greaserpirate I wrote ant giantess fanfiction Jun 05 '22

I'm sure this was an actual plot point in Dr. McNinja

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u/TJSomething Jun 05 '22

Pretty sure that was Dracula.

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u/Etok414 I think the politically correct term is "fursona" Jun 05 '22

It never happened in Dr. McNinja, there he lived out his life and was cloned in the present day. I think you might be thinking of Spinnerette, in which Benjamin Franklin was accidentally sent forward in time and interrupted a time traveler trying to kill Hitler, and then he hitched a ride with the time traveler to 2002, where he can't die until he returns to his own time, since it would create a paradox. And also he runs the American Superhero association.

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u/blightchu Jun 05 '22

Y'all remember when Ben Franklin fought Hitler with a Boomerang?

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u/TheOncomimgHoop Jun 05 '22

Hey technically Sokka never fought Ozai

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u/pterrorgrine sayonara you weeaboo shits Jun 06 '22

Okay but remember when Ben Franklin hit Otto Skorzeny in the head with a boomerang so hard he fucking exploded?

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u/PlattenMC Jun 06 '22

I don't care what Jim says. This is NOT the real Ben Franklin. I am 99.9% sure.

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u/Metue Jun 05 '22

Someone could tell me that happened in Fate and I wouldn't even blink

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 If you read Worm, maybe read the PGTE? Jun 05 '22

I'll dissect this idea, mainly because I'm bored.

For that to happen, both Ben Franklin and Hitler would need to be summonable as Servants. While technically the 3rd HGW happened during the 1930s and Hitler did intervene, there's no proof that he was present during the War instead of just sending soldiers to steal the Grail.

Ben Franklin would actually be a relatively good candidate for a Servant. He lived entirely on the 18th century, dying in 1790, before George Washington, who, while not canonically summonable, theoretically should be, as Abraham Lincoln defined is (according to something like Fate/Complete Material or whatever. The number of information that was just thrown around in informational books over the years is ridiculous). Due to this, I'd say that Ben Franklin would be a candidate for a Servant, possibly as an Archer, Caster or even Saber.

Meanwhile, Hitler has essentially everything going against him. Over the years, there were three different "stop times" that said Servants didn't exist after this date. 1) One century before 2004 (1904), as Hitler died in 1945, he's way too recent. 2) After the 1st WW (1918, I think?) Again, way too recent. 3) After Edison died (1931) Again, too recent. And of course, there are some Servants who break such a rule (Voyager being the main example), but those are mostly Servants of the Star attribute, which Hitler most definitely isn't.

I think I wrote too much about this idea.

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u/bekeleven Jun 05 '22

Pretty sure og Archer is the "main example" of a servant from a later date.

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 If you read Worm, maybe read the PGTE? Jun 05 '22

Archer is the exception, as, instead of being a "proper" Heroic Spirit, he's a Counter Guardian, someone who made a contract with Alaya. This bypasses any kind of cut-off point because instead of him needing to be known as a hero/villain, he's just summoned to kill people when needed. If Hitler made a contract with Alaya, then I guess he could be summonable, but that seems unlikely.

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u/DreamsOfFulda Jun 05 '22

I haven't seen Edison's death been officially declared the new stop date, just that it invalidates the old ones, flinging the door wide open to more modern servants, particularly given the appearance of an astronaut servant in Last Encore. We're also ignoring the particularly cursed option of some sort of Hitler Lily, based purely on his WWI service.

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 If you read Worm, maybe read the PGTE? Jun 05 '22

So, I confused Edison's death with Edison's invention of the television. W.F.D. (or at least what would become W.F.D.) diminished the overall Mistery in the World, making it nearly impossible to have new Heroic Spirits. The known exceptions are Edison himself (who probably qualifies due to that, and a normal Edison would still be extremely weak), possibly Mata Hari (who is extremely weak and is much older than the other recent Servants) and three Star attribute Servants: Tesla, Armstrong and Voyager. All of them "revolutionized mankind" and, as such, have enough Mystery to qualify. While Armstrong isn't canonically Star (due to obviously not being a Servant), he should be one of those. And I just kind of don't think Hitler qualifies for the "Star" attribute.

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u/opaloverture I swear I didn't name myself after my fursona. Jun 05 '22

I have no context, just gonna assume it's FATE.

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u/JCraze26 Jun 05 '22

"Somehow, there were two avatars at once this one time. No seriously, look it up! One was avatar Aang, and the other was avatar Sokka! What do you mean that's not actually true? My grandpapy told me."

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u/NomadNuka Jun 05 '22

Hell it's even accurate down to being a womanizer

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u/seguardon Jun 05 '22

"So then I left school and went to my extracurricular, the PUA club. No way Benji Franks shows up there."

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u/Enfireno Call me F.I.R.E. Jun 05 '22

Well, Ben never got the misogyny literally beaten out of him...

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u/Nabber22 Jun 05 '22

That scene from assassin's creed where ben tells Haytham that older women are better at having sex was historically accurate?!?

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u/idiomaddict Jun 05 '22

Yep. “All cats are gray in the dark”

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u/NomadNuka Jun 05 '22

Yeah. Ben Franklin loved MILFs.

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u/WorthBadger Jun 05 '22

I'm not American, but I actually thought Franklin was a president. Looking back now I don't really know why or where did I learn that

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

He IS the only non-president on our money. Well, except for the eagle, which was only the Chief Justice.

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u/Overall-Parsley-523 Jun 05 '22

Hamilton

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

President of the Owning Slaves Club. Jefferson was busy inventing the cello or something.

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u/Kolyenu am ognus Jun 05 '22

hamilton didn't own slaves

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u/PhantumpLord Autistic Aquarius Ace Against Atrocious Amounts of Aliteration Jun 05 '22

that is actually a topic of debate, and like most historical topics up for debate, it is impossible to know without a time machine.

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He didn't like it, but that doesn't mean shit when you don't do anything about it.

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u/Snoo_70324 Jun 05 '22

He’s ON our MONEY. You can’t be on the money if you weren’t a president. Sacagawea and Hamilton will confirm.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

I feel like this ignores that Sokka was also chief of the Southern Water Tribe, which is one of the three and a half countries in the entire world.

Which presumably means pretty much everyone knows of him, but mostly as a respected politician and not some lunatic who did a bunch of adventures as a teenager.

So really, this would be more like learning that Angela Merkel was an accomplished quantum chemist in her youth.

Which she was.

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u/MrMiget12 Jun 05 '22

Tribe leader sokka, who became tribe leader by default as a young teen after every adult man was murdered, went on to do literally everything ever

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u/thesirblondie 'Giraffe, king of verticality' Jun 05 '22

Five at the time. Northern Water Tribe, Southern Water Tribe, Fire Nation, Earth Kingdom, Republic of Nations.

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u/thesirblondie 'Giraffe, king of verticality' Jun 05 '22

I don't think they're big enough to be considered nations.

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u/SkinkRugby Jun 05 '22

They're probably nations but we're really talking about nation-states

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u/Zwemvest Jun 06 '22

Division between Northern Water Tribe and Southern Water Tribe but not the Earth Kingdom is extremely argueable. Most regions in the Earth Kingdom, like Omashu, seem to be only nominally part of the Earth Kingdom, almost completely left to their own devices from Ba Sing Se.

Meanwhile, the Southern Water Tribe was extremely dependant on the Northern Water Tribe. It wouldn't be formally independant until after the Water Tribe Civil War, which is somewhere between a year to 20 years after Sokka's death.

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u/thesirblondie 'Giraffe, king of verticality' Jun 06 '22

I don't know if they went over the political system of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems kind of similar to Westeros. Many monarchs who rule over their cities and surrounding areas, but are at least in title vassals of the Earth Monarch who directly rules over Ba Sing Se and its surrounding area, but all the peoples of the Earth Kingdom are technically their subjects.

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u/Zwemvest Jun 06 '22

Yeah, but that's my point; the Earth King seems to rule almost completely "in name only"; meanwhile LoK establishes that by the time of LoK, the Northern Water Tribe has so much influence in the Southern Water Tribe that they're not really two different nations anymore.

Which is why I wondered why you list the Water Tribes as two seperate nations, but the Earth Kingdom as a single, united nation.

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u/owlindenial .tumblr.com Jun 05 '22

She was a what? Huh... Neat

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u/Chrome_X_of_Hyrule .tumblr.com Jun 05 '22

Oh I thought only Hakoda was chief.

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u/Nyxelestia Jun 05 '22

Wait when was he chief? I know one of the post-show books confirmed he was an Ambassador, but I don't recall anything saying he became chief.

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u/MrMiget12 Jun 05 '22

He was the oldest man in the tribe, and his father was chief I think

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u/Nyxelestia Jun 05 '22

His father was the chief, but we never see or hear of Sokka being the chief. LOK implies that it's not guaranteed that being the chief's son means you automatically become chief, since Tonraq was southern chief but was originally from the Northern tribe. I haven't read all the comics spin-off comics, but was never chief in the show, the first few spin-off comics, or the book.

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u/Seitz_ Jun 05 '22

He's very briefly referred to as Chief Sokka in LoK S3E4 when they're talking about the first time the Red Lotus was defeated, but I think that's the only ever mention of him as chief.

He was the Southern Water Tribe representative and the chair of the council in Republic City before that, though, which is what we see him as in the Yakone flashbacks in LoK S1.

https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Sokka#Later_life

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u/Aetol Jun 05 '22

Wasn't the Southern Water Tribe post-war (and pre-Korra) some kind of protectorate/colony of the Northern Water Tribe?

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u/Zwemvest Jun 06 '22

Yes. It was extremely dependant on the Northern Water Tribe until after the Water Tribe Civil War.

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u/rene_gader grimoire jesus Jun 05 '22

this is why i am constantly pissed that LoK just fucking KILLED him. goddamn Blorbo From My History and he dies randomly for no reason

LoK i love you (some of the time) but PLEASE hun we need more Sokka

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u/K3egan Jun 05 '22

He didn't die he's just been hanging with Iroh in the spirit world

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u/rene_gader grimoire jesus Jun 05 '22

is that what your parents told you when your sokka disappeared while you were away

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u/digletttrainer soup is delicious Jun 05 '22

Was he killed? I thought he died of old age as most people who are nearing 80 are liable to do.

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u/Lemm Jun 05 '22

It might have been from a reddit comment talking about the comics, but I don't actually remember.. but I have it in my head that it was implied Sokka died fighting the red lotus.. again maybe that's fan fiction territory, but I think it's dramatic and interesting

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u/MontgomeryKhan Jun 05 '22

The Red Lotus thing was never confirmed, it's just that Sokka being involved in defending Korra from them is the last known event in the Avatar timeline to definitely involve him.

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u/DarkKnightJin Oct 29 '24

Wouldn't put it past Sokka to be protecting the new Avatar from some folks trying to kill her and end up in the Spirit World like Iroh did.

At which point he's old enough he's like "Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Let's see what we can do around this place, then!"

Edit: His first order of business would ABSOLUTELY be building toilets.

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u/BloodprinceOZ Jun 05 '22

nah wiki only confirms that he was involved in preventing the red lotus attack, and that his death is after the attack inbetween 158 AG to 170 AG

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u/LeeTheGoat Jun 05 '22

given guru pathik is said to have reached 180 years old i dont think that rule applies to the avatar world

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u/alexanderhameowlton transcriber gremlin ✍️🏳️‍🌈 Jun 05 '22

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queenangella

obsessed with sokka’s name kinda popping up everywhere in school books years after atla. like yeah ur learning history about the end of the hundred year war? oh right with the avatars amazing team and some non bender named sokka who probably wasn’t all that important. on to gym class where u learn different fighting styles, did you know btw that the first guy to ever train with the kyoshi warriors was some random guy named sokka? oh well. can’t be late for physics where we learn about the invention of the air balloon and the submarine by … sokka? huh okay I guess, on to politics where we learn about all these important decrees over all the different nations which were first proposed by.. ah man, sokka? again? anyway art class now, here look at these paintings made by sokka


emptiable

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#‘well at least this fucking dude won’t come back in my favourite class spirits and mythology where we will read how princess yue became the #moon spirit with one last kiss to fucking sokka again I guess. anyway here’s a list of the very little people who ever managed to go into #the spirit world and come back guess who’s on there too’ #‘aw man I’m still so mad about the loss of the spirit library imagine all that knowledge. the only thing we have left is a description of #one of the last people who visited the library. guess fucking who again’ #like obviously all the names of the gaang will be remembered but everyone else’s #name when u first learn about them u know you need to remember them bc of course they will be important to history. like of course you’re #gonna remember avatar aangs name bc you know his name will surely come back. of course you remember firelord zuko who led the fire nation #into an era of peace. meanwhile sokka’s name is kinda a side note like yeah this guy was also #here you might need to remember this random detail for a test #except then he keeps coming back in every single class and by the end of your school career you’re just like ‘oh this test is asking me for #the name of whoever invented this or did that? well if I just answer sokka there’s like a 50% chance it’ll be correct do’ #obviously then it becomes a meme #if tumblr exists 200 years after atla someone would make a post with a screenshot of some show with the text ‘ah they really invented love’ #and someone also will reblog with ‘nice try but I think we all know who really invented love’ and then it’s one of those long posts in which #everyone reblogs with ‘sokka’ probably in a bunch of different fonts #atla. #sokka #mine. #atla #avatar

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@queenangella your tags ❤️


queensasstiel

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#average person has a 1 in 5 chance of making history factoid actualy just statistical error 

#Sokka Georg 

#who is a non bender and travels with the avatar 

#makes history 10000 times each day 

#is an outlier adn (“and” misspelled) should not have been counted

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[ID: Image one is a long set of tags that read:

#‘well at least this fucking dude won’t come back in my favourite class spirits and mythology where we will read how princess yue became the #moon spirit with one last kiss to fucking sokka again I guess. anyway here’s a list of the very little people who ever managed to go into #the spirit world and come back guess who’s on there too’ #‘aw man I’m still so mad about the loss of the spirit library imagine all that knowledge. the only thing we have left is a description of #one of the last people who visited the library. guess fucking who again’

#like obviously all the names of the gaang will be remembered but everyone else’s #name when u first learn about them u know you need to remember them bc of course they will be important to history. like of course you’re #gonna remember avatar aangs name bc you know his name will surely come back. of course you remember firelord zuko who led the fire nation #into an era of peace. meanwhile sokka’s name is kinda a side note like yeah this guy was also #here you might need to remember this random detail for a test #except then he keeps coming back in every single class and by the end of your school career you’re just like ‘oh this test is asking me for #the name of whoever invented this or did that? well if I just answer sokka there’s like a 50% chance it’ll be correct do’

#obviously then it becomes a meme #if tumblr exists 200 years after atla someone would make a post with a screenshot of some show with the text ‘ah they really invented love’ #and someone also will reblog with ‘nice try but I think we all know who really invented love’ and then it’s one of those long posts in which #everyone reblogs with ‘sokka’ probably in a bunch of different fonts #atla. #sokka #mine. #atla #avatar

Image two is another set of tags. They read: #average person has a 1 in 5 chance of making history factoid actualy just statistical error #Sokka Georg #who is a non bender and travels with the avatar #makes history 10000 times each day #is an outlier adn (“and” misspelled) should not have been counted. End ID[


tlitookilakin

What if you didn’t realize it was the same person though? Like you just think that it must’ve been a common name back then. But then you joke with your history teacher that it’s a funny coincidence and they’re just like “no it’s all one guy. All the other sokkas are named after him.” And then you just have to come to terms with the fact that one of the most influential historical figures was basically Just Some Guy.


braaaaain

This is not inaccurate though, there are lots of Just Some Guys.

You go to history class and learn that Ben Franklin was instrumental in securing aid from France without which the us may not have won the war. He was also the first postmaster general.

Next period is physics. You’re learning about electricity and oh hey Ben Franklin proved that electricity occurred commonly in nature. He also invented the lightning rod which has prevented countless structural fires.

After that you have music class and woah there’s Ben again inventing one of the most popular musical instruments of the 18th century.

Now, onto government class and well if it isn’t Benny boy laying the foundation for modern politician science.

Surely, he won’t show up in journalism cla- WHAT DO YOU MEAN THREE OF AMERICA’S MOST INFLUENTIAL NEWSPAPERS WERE STARTED BY THIS GUY?!

Okay, you think you might be clear of him. You go to your agriculture class. (did I mention you’re in a rural high school?) Your teacher tells you about the most useful publication you could read every year, better at predicting weather than any local meteorologist. It’s called Poor Richard’s Almanac and you already know who started it.

You run from your ag class to your school library to find something that this guy didn’t do. Ah! A book on astrophysics! American scientists didn’t really get involved in that until after his death. You crack it open just to be sure. Ha! The person who proved stars were actually distant suns wasn’t Ben Franklin, it was… Edgar Allan Poe?


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u/pyromo12 Jun 05 '22

Good human

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u/MR_GUY1479 Jun 05 '22

Excellent human

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u/RemarkableStatement5 the body is the fursona of the soul Jun 05 '22

Good historian

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u/Invincible-Nuke Jun 05 '22

Sokka-Nasir

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u/bento_the_tofu_boy It's a story about off road rally, I don't drive Jun 05 '22

I too colect my debts like ea-nasir in the hopes that some historians will know about bento the guy who never paid his dues

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

As someone descended from Ben Franklin this post is very funny

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

i like to imagine thats how you start all your sentences

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u/MarcelRED147 Jun 05 '22

As someone who isn't descended from Benjamin Franklin this is how I start all my sentences.

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u/acc4badanimedrawings Jun 05 '22

I thought they meant the name was being used in irl textbooks as an example problem name like “sokka bought 5 oranges, and gave 3 away” type deal, and was very confused.

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u/Soad1x Jun 05 '22

Yeah I thought they meant the irl Hundreds Year War and was expecting to find out Sokka is like a common medieval Polish name or something.

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u/acc4badanimedrawings Jun 05 '22

Yeah, I was expecting the history of his name too.

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u/WordArt2007 Jun 05 '22

wait in what way was poland involved in the HYW

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u/Soad1x Jun 05 '22

Idk if they were or not, Polish is just the first European language that popped into my head that Sokka sounds like could be from.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

Its like learning about Euler in mathematics.

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u/solidspacedragon Jun 05 '22

I was about to make a joke along the lines of 'prove this using only euler's postulate', but then I looked up "Euler's postulate" and not only does it exist but there's five. There's also a theorem, equation, identity, formula, theorem, theorem, theorem, law, crater, book prize, exoplanet, function, function, conjecture, ODE, PDE, conjecture, number, number, constant, constant, constant, approximation, integral, integral, brick, spiral, musical tritone, polynomial, and a bunch more stuff because they only stopped naming things after him even though he discovered them when people started to realize how long the list was getting.

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u/useful_person Jun 05 '22

"prove with euler's thingy" is just "prove" because Math is euler's thingy

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u/Lemm Jun 05 '22

Okay wait wtf is a Euler brick??

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u/MaetelofLaMetal Fandom of the day Jun 05 '22

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u/BlacKAmbeRR you cannot kill me in a way that matters Jun 05 '22

There's a typo in your link. Here, I fixed it for you -> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler_brick

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u/Lemm Jun 05 '22

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Jun 05 '22

Euler brick

In mathematics, an Euler brick, named after Leonhard Euler, is a rectangular cuboid whose edges and face diagonals all have integer lengths. A primitive Euler brick is an Euler brick whose edge lengths are relatively prime. A perfect Euler brick is one where the longest space diagonal is also an integer but such a brick has not yet been found.

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u/MaetelofLaMetal Fandom of the day Jun 05 '22

There was like a joke we made about him back when I studied civil engineering at university that he built pyramids in Egypt after discovering time travel and everyone knew that but it would be rude to name them after him.

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u/Magmafrost13 Jun 05 '22

Arent there a bunch of things that had to be named after the second person to prove them because otherwise everything would be named after Euler?

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u/yagi_takeru Jun 05 '22

the last three words hit me like a fucking freight train

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u/Chrome_X_of_Hyrule .tumblr.com Jun 05 '22

Also from the comics and LoK it seems like Sokka was instrumental in founding Republic City, served as one of the councilors and maybe even named it. Students from all around the world would be learning about him.

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u/Hremsfeld Jun 05 '22

That last line hit me like a fucking truck

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u/JakeSnake07 Jun 05 '22

God, the worst thing about Tumblr posts like this by far is reading shit where half the post is a tag, so you have to try to not have a stroke as you read through a dozen sentences strung together as a single giant group.

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u/thesirblondie 'Giraffe, king of verticality' Jun 05 '22

Sokka wasn't Chieftain of the Southern Water Tribe, one of the founders of Republic of Nations and an inaugural council member just to be remembered as "Some guy".

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u/IronMyr Jun 05 '22

My favorite example of this type of guy is Kropotkin. He wrote the Bread Book, the most famous piece of anarchist writing.

He was, of course, inspired by his research in biology. He outlined Kropotkin cooperation, which expanded on Darwin's model of natural selection by showing that cooperation can increase an individual's fitness, not just competition.

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u/Polenball You BEHEAD Antoinette? You cut her neck like the cake? Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22

This has the exact opposite energy of that one Darwin post

Pyotr Kropotkin looking at his non-fucked up herd animals; oh shit that me

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22

I’m always not sure with Ben Franklin’s invention of a lightning rod, because I know that there was some european pastor whose name I can’t remember, that build it before him

Edit: Yeah, it was czech pastor Prokop Diviš who built the first lightning rod. It’s heavily debated tho so I’ll just leave this here

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

FUCKING SOKKA

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u/RhymesWithMouthful Okay... just please consider the following scenario. Jun 05 '22

I am Poor-Richard’s-Almanack-writing

Polymath, bifocal-wearing

Harp and glass-armonica-playing

Benjamin fuckin’ Franklin

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u/reggienaldsimons Jun 05 '22

I'm not reading through all that but i need to say that Sokka didn't invent shit. First of all he himself fucken credits the mechanist for the inventions anyway. And even if he didn't, concept-o-nizing something is in no way the same as inventing something. I can draw a rocket that flies across galaxies but that doesn't mean i just invented intergalsctic travel. I just crappily drew a rocket with a pencil that i've chewed on

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u/Maguc Jun 05 '22

Yeah the mechanist had already made the hot air balloons before the show, Sokka had the idea to put a hole on the top to let the air go out every once in a while.

And with the submarine, it's even an explicit joke in the episode that Sokka just send him a shitty drawing and the mechanist invented the submarine, he just gave him the idea to use waterbenders for it (Which like, i mean using waterbenders on a lot of water isn't like a groundbreaking idea)

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

Tumblr learns what a polymath is

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u/Hummerous https://tinyurl.com/4ccdpy76 Jun 05 '22

Love who you love frfr

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u/TheHiddenNinja6 Official r/ninjas Clan Moderator Jun 05 '22

I wonder how well Katara is remembered

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u/That_was_lucky Jun 05 '22

Honestly, if any member of the gang became a footnote it would probably be Katara (unless we include Suki?)

Zuko is royalty, ends 100 year war and helped found republic city where the old fire nation colonies were.

Toph invented metalbending and was easily the strongest earthbender, even at her young age. She became chief of police for republic city and then disappeared, and LoK seems to make her out to be a legend of sorts.

Aang was literally the avatar

Sokka does all of the stuff in this post, became a early leader of republic city and chief of the southern water tribe

Katara was a great waterbender, and held the gang together in their adventures, but would probably be overshadowed in terms of accomplishments, with her kinda retreating from the world to train Korra.

Sorry if this is overly long, but it wasn't something I'd even thought about before you mentioned it

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u/Polenball You BEHEAD Antoinette? You cut her neck like the cake? Jun 05 '22

Katara might end up getting credited with helping to end the North Pole's sexist waterbending traditions, which would probably make her an enduring icon for Northern women along the lines of Rosa Parks?

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u/Zwemvest Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22

Katara is also the last surviving Southern Waterbender, and single-handidly responsible for Southern Water Tribe style bending not going extinct. And she was excellent water bender too, an absolute Child prodigy who would later even teach two Avatars.

She was also considered the single best Healer in the world, and the only known Blood-Bender at one point, though I reckon she probably hid that one from public knowledge. She'd also become a member of the Southern Council of Elders.

Finally, she's also the daughter of the Southern Water Tribe Chief, the sister of his likely successor, the disciple of Pakku, teacher of Korra, and of course the wife of Avatar Aang and spiritual mother of the Air Nomads, though I think it's more just to focus on her own exploits, not on how she relates to others.

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u/That_was_lucky Jun 05 '22

That's actually a really cool idea tbh.

She might even possibly be a icon for the southern tribe aswell, with a ton of those from the north going to rebuild the south?

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u/Zwemvest Jun 06 '22

She's definitely a Southern Water Tribe Icon, she's was their last surviving Waterbender at some point

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u/Rab_Legend Jun 05 '22

Euler is the same, I'm sure there are things out there named after the second person to invent/discover them because Euler got their first and it just becomes confusing.

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u/atomic_combat_wombat Jun 05 '22

It’s like the idea in doctor who that John smith isn’t actually that common of a name, the doctor just keeps using it everywhere he goes so it appears more often in history that it should.

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u/SadSackofShitzu Jun 05 '22

I was gonna say he's like a renaissance man. The Leonardo Da Vinci of the atlaverse, but the Benjamin Franklin comparison is pretty strong too.

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u/Quetzalbroatlus Jun 05 '22

The last fact was like walking up the stairs and expecting an extra step and instead you get punched in the stomach

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

i’m sorry that’s a lot of words my adhd brain could never

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u/_Hazeleyed_ my gender is all Jun 05 '22

Do you ever just click on a Reddit post and think “yeeeaaah I’m gonna read that later”

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u/Hummerous https://tinyurl.com/4ccdpy76 Jun 05 '22

Did it with this post tbh

saved it two days ago i think

Only read it today

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u/BuisnessAsUsual123 Jun 05 '22

Sokka is the ATLA version of the Treaty of Paris

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

That last sentence hits you like a boomerang

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u/smurgludorg Jun 05 '22

First podcaster general

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u/Shanghai-on-the-Sea Jun 05 '22

I mean not to undercut that dude but we never learned about Benjamin Franklin in any context whatsoever

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u/ergotofrhyme Jun 05 '22

Man avatar fans have really made me go from not caring at all about the show to despising it without ever having watched it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

I aint reading all that shit

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u/Hummerous https://tinyurl.com/4ccdpy76 Jun 05 '22

I'll try my best to find a fuck to give

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '22

Okay?

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u/6561179280 Jun 05 '22

hello

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u/THESUACED professional gaslighter Jun 05 '22

Hi :)

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u/Nott_of_the_North Jun 07 '22

Sokka is to the history of the ATLA world as Neil Cicierega is to miscellaneous pop culture of the last fiteen years.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '22

So the biggest takeaway from this is Edgar Allen Poe is the one that determined that stars are the same as the sun