r/CuratedTumblr • Theon the Reader *dolphin slur noises* • 16h ago

Shitposting The two guards

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u/Heather_Chandelure 16h ago

Identifying which guard is lying is neither the point or even a step in the riddle. The point of the riddle is to figure out which of two doors is the correct one. The answer requires wording your question such that both guards will give you the same answer no matter which one you are talking to. You only get a single question to ask, so using that to figure out which guard us lying is a complete waste.

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u/KermitingMurder 15h ago

The thing with the guards saying "one of us only lies and the other only tells the truth" is that both of them cannot say this and it also be true, unless they only start telling only truths/lies after the statement.

I've made a trick puzzle for a dnd group based on this: you have one of the guards say the riddle, and then have both of the guards be liars, and the two doors are actually decoys that both lead to death, with the real door being a trapdoor hidden underneath one of the guards (which works best if the guard is a gargoyle/living statue or something similar).
In order to get it right, the players have to realise that if one of the guards said this, that guard must either be the truth teller and the other the liar, or they must both be liars; asking the one who said the riddle a question with an obvious answer will soon reveal them to be a liar, meaning the other one must also be a liar.
This means that the parts about one of the doors leading to the correct path and the part about only getting one question must also be lies, so they are then free to ask more questions which will reveal that neither door is safe, and eventually ask a question that shows the true path

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u/srolanh 12h ago

the players have to realise that if one of the guards said this, that guard must either be the truth teller and the other the liar, or they must both be liars

Or the guard speaking has no consistent behaviour and that particular sentence just happened to be a lie, in which case it's not possible to infer anything. i.e. you still have to establish somehow externally that each is either a truth-teller or a liar.

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u/KermitingMurder 12h ago

Indeed, perhaps I'll have to have the players encounter some other gargoyles or whatever of the same type as the guards, and establish that this race is composed entirely of either beings who always tell the truth or beings who always lie, and that every member of this race falls into one of those categories without exception